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Back before the BOC meeting we were discussing cutting allocations and reducing the doe season to one week.. In 2009-10, hunters took 220,590 does. Last year, they took 193,310 does, or 4 percent fewer. 4% does not sound like a lot but that's about 1,200 per WMU.. so I guess that is not to bad and as usual with a lower harvest this year next year should be better even with the same reductions in place... If pasted I will be watching what happens in 2F with only the second week for antlerless...... I did get the harvest figures (report card count only))for my little township and we harvest 10 more bucks and 5 less antlerless in 2010... ... well we all know where one of those NOT KILLED last year came from 
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2011/03/17 19:47:06
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In 2009-10, hunters took 220,590 does. Last year, they took 193,310 does, or 4 percent fewer.
4% does not sound like a lot but that's about 1,200 per WMU.. so I guess that is not to bad and as usual with a lower harvest this year next year should be better even with the same reductions in place. Wrong once again DOC. The antlerless harvest in 2009 was 200,590, not 220,590. In 1995 with just 776k antlerless hunters and a 3 day season those hunters harvested 248 k antlerless deer
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RE: Save 4% ===
2011/03/17 20:03:51
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RE: Save 4% ===
2011/03/17 20:15:04
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If you had copyied and pasted it from the PGC PR you would have been right. but instead you typed it yourself and got it wrong. 
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RE: Save 4% ===
2011/03/17 20:25:33
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What the Heck here's the article and the part I copied...
Hunters' increase in buck kills leads to greater deer harvest
By Bob Frye, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, March 13, 2011
About the writer
Bob Frye is the Tribune-Review outdoors editor. He can be reached at 724-838-5148 or via e-mail.
Four things stand out in the Pennsylvania Game Commission's estimates of the 2010-2011 deer harvest.
• The final annihilation of the deer herd didn't come to pass.
• Hunters are shooting more older bucks than ever.
• Split seasons may or may not be a good idea, but they don't lead to as many dead deer as concurrent ones.
• And crossbows are popular, but perhaps reaching their peak.
According to information released this past week, hunters killed 316,240 deer in 2010-11. That's 2 percent more than they took the previous season, when the harvest was pegged at 308,920.
A jump in the buck kill accounted for the difference. In 2009-10, hunters killed 108,330. Game Commissioner Tom Boop said at the agency's January board meeting that he expected that number to be less than 100,000 after the most recent seasons, based on what he'd heard from hunters.
Instead, the buck kill totaled 122,930, an increase of 13 percent.
Hunters thrived in certain areas. The kill rose by 20 percent in wildlife management units 2F, 3D, 4C, 4D and 5C, and by 31 percent in units 2C and 2G.
Statistics prove hunters are taking more older bucks than at any time in recent memory, too. A breakdown of the harvest revealed that 52 percent of the bucks taken were 2 1/2 years old or older. That's the highest percentage recorded in the past 30 years.
Where the deer kill did go down was with antlerless deer. In 2009-10, hunters took 220,590 does. Last year, they took 193,310 does, or 4 percent fewer.
Commission executive director Carl Roe said that was attributable to fewer doe licenses issued and shorter seasons.
Commissioners expanded the number of wildlife management units where doe season started on the first Saturday of the season last fall, an expansion of an "experiment" to see whether hunters could take as many does in six days as 12. The answer again was no. The overall doe harvest declined for the third time in the past four years, as commissioners have incrementally increased the number of units with split seasons.
As for the archery take, the overall harvest was up 13 percent. Crossbows played a big role in that, but their meteoric rise as a factor slowed.
Hunters armed with horizontal bows accounted for 15 percent of the archery harvest in 2008-09. That doubled, to 30 percent, in 2009-10, when crossbows were legalized statewide for the first time.
This past season that percentage went up again, but just by 4 points, to 34 percent.
Read more: Hunters' increase in buck kills leads to greater deer harvest - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/outdoors/s_727161.html#ixzz1GuEmBHKK[/
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2011/03/17 20:39:14
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Dont look now, but theres one a dem Penn Fed writers doc! • The final annihilation of the deer herd didn't come to pass. Of course not. We're still in the semifinal round. Pgc gotta line up some long term or alternate funding to polish 'em all off without being bothered with needing funding approval by those pesky hunters or legislators....Then we hit the next round of annihilation...or as one of the antideer writer dudes would say; improve the plan and take the next step forward. lmao.
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2011/03/17 20:40:49
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one think about the mistake.. looks like I'm not the only one with "typos" Wayne .. don't know the guy have no idea if he is connected to the PFSC or not ... I do read his articles though.. along with Wolfe, Moyer, Muhlem, skunk in the woodpile page, Grenoble, Burchfield, and a couple others...
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2011/03/17 20:44:10
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"one think about the mistake.. looks like I'm not the only one with "typos"" Yep. We make lotsa typos doc! Long as we get our messages across brother.
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2011/03/17 20:45:41
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I read anyones article that'll write one doc. I have differing opinions on differing writers, and if i think someone has their head in butt, i dont care, i read 'em anyway. 
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2011/03/17 20:56:14
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Thank you for admitting you are guilty of plagarism . The next step is to admit you have no idea about how our herd is being managed.
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2011/03/17 21:09:38
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Maybe you should learn to read and use the quote function.
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2011/03/17 21:15:24
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whatever .... 
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2011/03/17 21:29:32
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RSB was on line for over an hour and he couldn't come up with a logical response either,so you and RSB obviously have a lot in common.
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2011/03/17 21:57:34
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response to what ???
I told you you were right and showed it was wrong in the article and RSB has not posted any thing here ?????
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2011/03/17 23:27:09
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ORIGINAL: deerfly
RSB was on line for over an hour and he couldn't come up with a logical response either,so you and RSB obviously have a lot in common.
Logical response to what? I got on line when I got home from work, made one post then went and had dinner with my wife, while I was still logged in because I thought I might get back to the computer before I headed out to a meeting. Instead I ended up in a couple phone conversations then logged off before I went to my meeting. I got home and logged on again and read the nonsense. But, it is getting late and I have an early day tomorrow so I will not be making many responses tonight. When I get time I will post logical responses to some of this nonsense but I have other more important things to do than sit here rehashing the same old issues with people incapable of understanding logic anyway. R.S. Bodenhorn
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2011/03/18 07:01:26
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not me.. I can't stand reading the negative stuff at all... and what's probably bad they may put out a good article once in awhile and I'd miss it..... but that's life...
think and thing.. my favorite two words to get typos on !!!!!!
So one side of any story is all one needs to form a rational, informed, adult decision on any subject? You know, Doc, for a very long time, people thought the world was flat and you could actually sail a ship off the end of it. It took a different opinion to change that notion. Had everyone just stuck to what they thought and those that espoused the same position...
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The poster formally known as Duncsdad Everything I say can be fully substantiated by my own opinion.
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2011/03/18 07:40:11
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Gee. Another deer thread filling up with personal insults. Who would a thunk it. 
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2011/03/18 08:38:56
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Where's the personal insult?
I don't think that advising someone to take off the blinders and look at more than one side of an issue before concluding that what they think they know is gospel is an insult.
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2011/03/18 08:59:34
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ORIGINAL: DarDys
I don't think that advising someone to take off the blinders and look at more than one side of an issue before concluding that what they think they know is gospel is an insult.
That would not be an personal attack. Unfortunately, those are not the words some choose so often here and the reason that many of these deer threads are mostly back and forth between 3-4 people now. Was not referring to you, Dar, BTW.
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2011/03/18 09:41:38
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Personal attacks, name calling, stalking,some of you guys are worst than a roomful of teenage girls ! Lighten up and maybe you'll see more members on these threads. Sweet Baby Jesus.... no wait that could be a religious statement and I believe that it is a violation of the religious rules of conduct ! Give me a break !!!!! ORIGINAL: dpms
Gee. Another deer thread filling up with personal insults. Who would a thunk it.
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2011/03/18 11:02:00
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Dars.. what I said was I do not read the stuff negative people write... I did not say I do not read the other side of the story.. GOSH.. I read everythinng you negative PGC guys write on here some one that never writes a positive side comes off to me as a person that has no real opinions... they just write the negative side of everything... to draw attention to themselves for doing that and a couple even get a "followings" of like-minded folks... you know the guy that saw the photos of the world being round but continued to write that the photos were "doctored" or someone has "lied" etc etc... There is always two sides to a story and many writers can fairly present the side they chose to support.. but there are some that no matter what -- they choose the negative side.. those are the ones I was refering to.. you do not have to read their article you already know what side they will be on before even looking at it.........
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2011/03/18 11:57:58
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Dars..
what I said was I do not read the stuff negative people write... I did not say I do not read the other side of the story.. GOSH.. I read everythinng you negative PGC guys write on here
some one that never writes a positive side comes off to me as a person that has no real opinions... they just write the negative side of everything... to draw attention to themselves for doing that and a couple even get a "followings" of like-minded folks...
you know the guy that saw the photos of the world being round but continued to write that the photos were "doctored" or someone has "lied" etc etc...
There is always two sides to a story and many writers can fairly present the side they chose to support.. but there are some that no matter what -- they choose the negative side.. those are the ones I was refering to.. you do not have to read their article you already know what side they will be on before even looking at it.........
You are joking, right? I certainly hope so. If you are not reading what you consider the negative side of the issue, then you are only reading one side. You are dismissing out of hand that just because you don't currently agree with them, they have nothing of value to add to the conversation. Can you see how shortsighted that is? A person that presents a different view, positive or negative (remember, what you view as negative, they might view as positive) is expressing their opinion. Just because it is not your current opinion does not mean that it may not have validity. Why would you think they are just trying to draw attention to themselves rather than expressing their opinion? Just because it doesn't happen to be your opinion? Would it be fair for others to dismiss your loyalty and faithfulness to the PGC as you just trying to draw attention to yourself or your website? Of course not. You are expressing your thoughts and those thoughts should be considered when they form their own opinion. Perhaps you should give others the benefit of the doubt that you expect.
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2011/03/18 17:50:59
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Here is what the PGC has done to the herd in 2G.
Year…….Allocation…………ant’less harvest………..buck harvest…….license/harvest
85………..10.23………………….3.27………………….2.98……………..3.12
86………..13.16………………….3.18………………….4.11……………..4.14
87………..15.42………………….3.85………………….4.20……………..4.00
88………..17.43………………….5.88………………….4.18……………..2.97
89………..18.00………………….5.62………………….3.72……………..3.20
90………..17.38………………….5.00………………….3.02……………..3.47
91………..13.63………………….3.52………………….2.65……………..3.88
92…………6.99………………….1.96………………….2.95……………..3.57
93…………7.16………………….2.31………………….2.84……………..3.10
94…………9.02………………….3.16………………….2.99……………..2.85
95…………9.02………………….3.66………………….3.01……………..2.47
96………..10.20………………….2.38………………….2.28……………..4.29
97…………6.00………………….2.34………………….2.81……………..2.56
98…………7.65………………….2.03………………….2.63……………..3.76
99…………7.65………………….1.86………………….3.13……………..4.11
00…………7.20………………….2.65………………….2.96……………..2.72
01…………8.22………………….2.67………………….2.82……………..3.08
02………..12.90………………….4.18………………….2.42 *…………...3.09
03………..12.64………………….4.95………………….2.46……………..2.55
04………..12.64………………….2.58………………….1.60……………..4.91
05…………7.05………………….1.51………………….1.22……………..4.68
06…………4.62………………….1.12………………….1.75……………..4.13
07…………6.32………………….1.60………………….1.24……………..3.94
08…………6.32………………….2.21………………….1.63……………..2.86
09…………6.32………………….1.02………………….1.26……………..6.19
10…………3.70………………….N/A…………………..N/A…………….N/A
Note that the habitat in 2g that had been over browsed for over 30 years produced a buck harvest rate of over 4 buck PSM from from 1986 to 1988. The new and improved DMP decreased the buck harvest from 3.13 BPSM in 1999 to 1.26 BPSM in 2009. And ,to add insult to injury ,forest health is still rated as poor in 2G so the PGC should reduce the herd even more if they are in fact managing the herd based on forest health.
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