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RE: Commisssioner Putnam on 2G === 2011/03/08 12:33:46 (permalink)
"how many guys here spend only 3-5 days a year scouting & actually hunting deer and are in that
20% range year after year... ??? "

Me, for one.
 
Again, you are lookng for an argument, not looking at it.  The folks that are walking away from PA deer hunting are not the 20% consistent folks.  They are the ones that used to harvest a deer every other year or every third year that now do the same every 5 to 8 years.

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RE: Commisssioner Putnam on 2G === 2011/03/08 12:58:43 (permalink)

We already know you are the exception to the average Pa hunter.. you have made that clear time and again....

What I am doing is presenting my position/opinion and as usual you just disagree....

it's not a matter of I am looking at the debate or for debate... it's my opinions...

As for your buck question.. you already know that answer and so does everyone else...

When I go out deer hunting I hope to be successful... I know what the regulations are and follow them to the "T" .. So yes if the first deer I see is legal buck or doe there's a chance if I get a good clean ethical (IMO) shot == It's going down...

I support the idea of ARs for the reasons I believe they were put in place.. to prevent killing 80% of ALL the bucks out there and to allow them to get older, etc ..

I never got that "make Pa a trophy state" opinion that some of you must have got... , nor did I think Dr. Alt was holding up what every Pa deer hunter was going to be shooting .. I knew enough to know Pa could never support that type trophy hunting.. just too many hunters and too successful...


The folks that are walking away from PA deer hunting are not the 20% consistent folks. They are the ones that used to harvest a deer every other year or every third year that now do the same every 5 to 8 years.



Again - just your opinion.. If I had to wait 3 years to get a deer I would have quit back then.. not wait til today when we have 1/2 the deer.....

but as I said .. the ones who were never really succesful for what ever reasons may be the ones leaving...

my opinion == as if everyone does not already know this ==

the ones that are walking away are the ones that are doing it for reason of ==

.. health
.. age
.. work obligations
.. family obligations
.. lack of time to invest in being successful or even enjoying deer hunting anymore
.. and lack of interest in hunting period for the young ones


As I have said time and agian.. go back to the herd populations of the 80s,90s,
when ever.. deer hunters numbers would still be dropping ... it's happening everywhere...

the folks are getting older and just are not up to the task of deer hunting in PA anymore..

I'll even bet some of them are now going to states or areas with less mountainous terrain. you know the "flat lands" ... course they would never admit to that... they're not getting old.. it's the deer numbers are too low in the mountainous areas...

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RE: Commisssioner Putnam on 2G === 2011/03/08 13:08:27 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: DarDys

"Those 50,000 - 70,000 that don't harvest a buck anymore is not because of those that choose to be selective. The PGC made the rule, not the hunters."

But those that choose to be selective support the PGC in the rule.  Its like a proxy vote.  Read how many support AR.  Just read what Doc wrote:



So now you're telling me I shouldn't support AR because others are doing without ? Take a hike ! You like to use the pay check thing... so, should I give up some of my paycheck cause someone that doesn't want to work a little, wants a cut ? LOL

I know what the surveys said. AR was in 70%-75% support when it started. After Johny roastbeef figured out the PGC wasn't going to tie a 2.5 yo buck to the tree, that % dropped to about 55%. It leveled out at 65% and remains that now.

You remember them things called bell shaped curves ? That majority you talking about, is in the middle for AR.

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RE: Commisssioner Putnam on 2G === 2011/03/08 13:57:12 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SilverKype


ORIGINAL: DarDys

"Those 50,000 - 70,000 that don't harvest a buck anymore is not because of those that choose to be selective. The PGC made the rule, not the hunters."

But those that choose to be selective support the PGC in the rule.  Its like a proxy vote.  Read how many support AR.  Just read what Doc wrote:



So now you're telling me I shouldn't support AR because others are doing without ? Take a hike ! You like to use the pay check thing... so, should I give up some of my paycheck cause someone that doesn't want to work a little, wants a cut ? LOL

I know what the surveys said. AR was in 70%-75% support when it started. After Johny roastbeef figured out the PGC wasn't going to tie a 2.5 yo buck to the tree, that % dropped to about 55%. It leveled out at 65% and remains that now.

You remember them things called bell shaped curves ? That majority you talking about, is in the middle for AR.

 
I don't believe I said that at all.  What I said was that those that are in favor of AR's can still practice it if it weren't in place.  You aren't giving up anything.
 
The question is, and Doc answered for himself above, how many of those 65% of AR supporters blast the first legal buck they see if AR's are rolled back.  I say 80-90% of them.  They talk a good game, but when it comes to pulling the trigger, they will.  Put their actions, not their words into play and that curve will change.

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RE: Commisssioner Putnam on 2G === 2011/03/08 14:01:59 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout


We already know you are the exception to the average Pa hunter.. you have made that clear time and again....

What I am doing is presenting my position/opinion and as usual you just disagree....

it's not a matter of I am looking at the debate or for debate... it's my opinions...

As for your buck question.. you already know that answer and so does everyone else...

When I go out deer hunting I hope to be successful... I know what the regulations are and follow them to the "T" .. So yes if the first deer I see is legal buck or doe there's a chance if I get a good clean ethical (IMO) shot == It's going down...

I support the idea of ARs for the reasons I believe they were put in place.. to prevent killing 80% of ALL the bucks out there and to allow them to get older, etc ..

I never got that "make Pa a trophy state" opinion that some of you must have got... , nor did I think Dr. Alt was holding up what every Pa deer hunter was going to be shooting .. I knew enough to know Pa could never support that type trophy hunting.. just too many hunters and too successful...


The folks that are walking away from PA deer hunting are not the 20% consistent folks. They are the ones that used to harvest a deer every other year or every third year that now do the same every 5 to 8 years.



Again - just your opinion.. If I had to wait 3 years to get a deer I would have quit back then.. not wait til today when we have 1/2 the deer.....

but as I said .. the ones who were never really succesful for what ever reasons may be the ones leaving...

my opinion == as if everyone does not already know this ==

the ones that are walking away are the ones that are doing it for reason of ==

.. health
.. age
.. work obligations
.. family obligations
.. lack of time to invest in being successful or even enjoying deer hunting anymore
.. and lack of interest in hunting period for the young ones


As I have said time and agian.. go back to the herd populations of the 80s,90s,
when ever.. deer hunters numbers would still be dropping ... it's happening everywhere...

the folks are getting older and just are not up to the task of deer hunting in PA anymore..

I'll even bet some of them are now going to states or areas with less mountainous terrain. you know the "flat lands" ... course they would never admit to that... they're not getting old.. it's the deer numbers are too low in the mountainous areas...



 
So, in words, you support AR, but if they were rolled back, you would no longer support them in action.  Why?  don't you still want older deer?
 
Go back and read my post on those that are walking away.  Then instead of looking for some goofy point to argue, try to understand it.  It is not the seniors, it is not the juniors, it is those in the middle that are walking away the most.  They can still physically hunt if they choose to do so, but they aren't making that choice.  Why?  Because of diminishing returns for their efforts.

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