was at one where the guy called PGC offical B. Wallingford an "out and out LIAR" right to his face when his question was answered...

Was he?

exactly spoon..

the thing was it was not even a really big issue the guy asked about.

It was on how the deer harvest figures are arrived at... it was explained exactly as to how it is done... and the guy said it was a bunch of "bull" and that he (Wallingford) was a big liar for "putting that info out there"...

Do you think Wallingford was lying when he said the 300 K antlerless harvest kept the herd stable while the 2001 harvest of 284K antlerless reduced the herd by 8%? Claims like that is the reason why so many hunters don't trust the PGC.

Yep, just what I thought, another spoon stirring the soup.

Would you care to point out the claims that the PGC made while selling the DMP that have been proven to be true? I can cite at least ten claims the PGC made that have been proven to be false.

So why don't you cherry pick the years that support your support of the of the DMP.

O"ne can't read these boards without getting the impression that any, all reports,agencies, groups, or individuals in support of the DMP are "lying/liars" in the eyes of some here."

I think the circumstances and "lack of truth" putting it politely, surrounding the "DMP" are well known and documented and any person just coming aboard here would hardly be surprised by reading any of this because its all pretty much common knowledge across the board on the internet as well as off.

While new and improved reasons for not trusting pgc are constantly popping up thanks to them never tiring of providing them, there really isnt any more that are necessary to not trust them. Any more is just "overkill".

Chasing a fella around on the internet, waiting to verbally pounce, is far more inappropriate, imo.

Ironhed

Hope your not refering to me as I've spent most of today on this site. Now, if your refering to yourself, Hummmm

ORIGINAL: wayne c

The unhappy folks are those that don't have a 6 week season

Easy there dards. Dont lump us all in with the few. Thats no truer then saying everyone against the deer plan belongs to usp. Many of us bowhunters dont support the nonsense behind the failed deer plan either, and anyone is more than welcome to pick up a bow, and its been made even easier for anyone to take up that season with an xgun to take advantage of that 6 week season.

 
That wasn't a swipe at bowhunters, just pointing out that the meeting he was at was for a "minority" of PA hunters.  Ask those that have 2-3 days if they are happy and you might get a different answer.

ORIGINAL: SilverKype

ORIGINAL: S-10

DarDys, You have to bite the bullet and by yourself a crossgun. The archers take 30% of the deer before you get a chance BUT----last year the crossgunners took 30% of the total archers kill. You don't even have to dress warm or practice----well, maybe a little

He doesn't like to hunt, just shoot.

 
Archery hunting is far too difficult for me.  Look at the South Central thread.  Guys on there say I am slow.  there is no way I could master the ninja like skills.

Archery hunting is far too difficult for me. Look at the South Central thread. Guys on there say I am slow. there is no way I could master the ninja like skills.

Since the crossgunners took 30% of the total archery kill the first year they were legal one could argue the "ninga like skills" might be a bit overstated as far as using that particular weapon is concerned.

There wasn't 30% that made the switch. Remember, archery numbers went up as hunter numbers declined. The comment to DarDys was that it really isn't as hard to kill a deer with a crossbow as it is with a compound or recurve. Heck, you know that in spite of all the wild claims on both sides leading up to their being legal. They even had to change the definition of a bow to do it. My 9 year old neighbor killed a buck with one last year and he isn't even strong enough to carry the thing. Set him up in a ladder stand with a dead rest and all he had to do was put the dot on the deer and pull the trigger. He was a happy camper but he is far from a ninja.

ORIGINAL: deerfly

What comes after what comes next? by John C. Street


Despite the heroic efforts of the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania

Wow. Wonder if John Street's credentials are as good as John Eveland's.

LAUGH

Wow. Wonder if John Street's credentials are as good as John Eveland's.

I dont think Street has wildlife professional credentials (forestry/ecology/biology) that eveland has, but could be mistaken.

Though its not necessary for him or eveland, for them to point out facts that are well documented without having any wildlife experience at all. All one need do is do some fact checks to see everything is as said. That is assuming one is capable of reading the printed word and making a rock bottom basic deduction by actually using third grade comprehension skills and thinking for ones self at even a minimal rate. Things sicj as evelands documented dictating by the econuts. Well documented and provem. Doesnt take a world reknowned cutting edge deer biologists super-human wizardry like Gary Alt (LMAO) or Rosenberry(LMAO) to point that out.

But i guess for some, they need Pgcs say so as to whether their own shoe is tied or not. lmao.

ORIGINAL: wayne c

Wow. Wonder if John Street's credentials are as good as John Eveland's.

I dont think Street has wildlife professional credentials (forestry/ecology/biology) that eveland has, but could be mistaken.

Though its not necessary for him or eveland, for them to point out facts that are well documented without having any wildlife experience at all. All one need do is do some fact checks to see everything is as said. That is assuming one is capable of reading the printed word and making a rock bottom basic deduction by actually using third grade comprehension skills and thinking for ones self at even a minimal rate. Things sicj as evelands documented dictating by the econuts. Well documented and provem. Doesnt take a world reknowned cutting edge deer biologists super-human wizardry like Gary Alt (LMAO) or Rosenberry(LMAO) to point that out.

But i guess for some, they need Pgcs say so as to whether their own shoe is tied or not. lmao.

 
If you were a mouse, you'd be dead one.   
 
I'm not real sure why you think making fun of Alt, or Rosenberry, or whoever upsets me.  I was hoping you would comment.    Only thing I ever say about either is Gary Alt rules in big font because it gets some panties bunchin'.   Since the ubp is not friends, is usp friends ?
 
Some people are still all jacked up about when Alt held up those 4.5 old year antlers and said you wanna shoot bucks like this.  LAUGH