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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 14:54:26
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Maybe they were being polite since, as you said, it was an ELK seminar.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:01:45
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Or, were they present and don't have their PC screen to hide behind so they don't speak. Hiding from those rough and tumble rowdy environmentalists no doubt. lmao.  
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:03:34
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Maybe they were being polite since, as you said, it was an ELK seminar. lmao. You caught that too huh? lol 
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:06:08
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ORIGINAL: SilverKype
I was at a bowhunters conection this weekend. The first seminar was on PA elk. The speaker was sick so Rosenberry filled in. At the end he took questions, stating to include deer questions since he was the supervisor of the deer plan. Mostly elk questions, a few deer questions with one being negative. Where were all these unhappy folks? Or, were they present and don't have their PC screen to hide behind so they don't speak. 
The unhappy folks are those that don't have a 6 week season and since it was bowhunters at the meeting, they wouldn't have been there.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:09:37
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The unhappy folks are those that don't have a 6 week season Easy there dards. Dont lump us all in with the few. Thats no truer then saying everyone against the deer plan belongs to usp. Many of us bowhunters dont support the nonsense behind the failed deer plan either, and anyone is more than welcome to pick up a bow, and its been made even easier for anyone to take up that season with an xgun to take advantage of that 6 week season.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:10:58
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Shawn - you speak so much of the 6 week bow season, so often. Has it ever occured to you why that is ?
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:13:46
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ORIGINAL: wayne c
The unhappy folks are those that don't have a 6 week season
Thats no truer then saying everyone against the deer plan belongs to usp. The only person that ever said that was you. LOL
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:14:04
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DarDys, You have to bite the bullet and by yourself a crossgun. The archers take 30% of the deer before you get a chance BUT----last year the crossgunners took 30% of the total archers kill. You don't even have to dress warm or practice----well, maybe a little
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:14:47
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C'mon now Kype. When i first came to this board i heard it, and was accused of it just about every day. I also still hear the "generalizations" made by doc and others regularly.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:16:59
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The QDMA had a session a week ago here in Pa.. and only a little over 100 people showed up !!!! So it was a bust? I guess that shows the support for qdma putting out that ridiculous report that ranked Pa highly. lol. Im sure they took a real credibility hit over that. There was posted over on hpa the other day, a link to pa outdoor news poll. Only 38% believed the report.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:17:25
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ORIGINAL: wayne c
The unhappy folks are those that don't have a 6 week season
Dont lump us all in with the few.
The few ? The folks that represent bowhunting and got you a bear season, the additional two weeks for November, the 50 yard zone, the suppression of orange, I could go on.. etc... What is their position ? Do you belong to that org Wayne ?
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:18:54
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C'mon now Kype. When i first came to this board i heard it, and was accused of it just about every day. I also still hear the "generalizations" made by doc and others regularly.
But you said everyone...
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:19:31
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ORIGINAL: S-10
DarDys, You have to bite the bullet and by yourself a crossgun. The archers take 30% of the deer before you get a chance BUT----last year the crossgunners took 30% of the total archers kill. You don't even have to dress warm or practice----well, maybe a little
He doesn't like to hunt, just shoot.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:21:11
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whenever some one speaks or meets about Pa deer... the whiners and complainers stay home... You just stated the reason why. You and the other PGC reps treat anyone who trys to speak against some of the things going on as thugs, whiners, bullies, complainers, idiots, etc, so after a few years of that most folks realize that unless they want more of the same there is no sense in attending those meetings.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:21:11
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What's his face was there from QDMA. I don't remember his name. I was the prize runner beotch so I didn't get to talk to anyone. 
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:23:24
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No i dont belong to them silver(ubp). And believe me,i appreciate the efforts made by ubp on more than one issue, though they didnt "get me" anything. Ive fought for and against some issues right along side them on my own and have encouraged others to do the same. I have contacted pgc, and when appropriate leslators etc. on issues that were important to me as they arose and as they pertain to archery hunting etc., so i didnt ride on anyones coat-tails. I dont consider ubp an enemy, but they arent always a friend either. I dont support the views they have taken on deer management issues and the majority of bowhunters (or rifle) dont either. Thats why i wouldnt think of joining ANY of these sportsmen groups because with any of them, there is always at least one or more major issues i dont agree with that i cannot simply look past, and i would be supporting those by being a member.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:25:22
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He doesn't like to hunt, just shoot. That's why I suggested a crossrifle instead of actual archery equipment.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:30:05
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So it was a bust? I guess that shows the support for qdma putting out that ridiculous report that ranked Pa highly. lol. Im sure they took a real credibility hit over that. LOL- that really was a piece of work. I apologise to the PGC for thinking they were the biggest BS'ers on record. The QDMA outdid themselves with that one.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:36:45
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No i dont belong to them silver(ubp). And believe me,i appreciate the efforts made by ubp on more than one issue, though they didnt "get me" anything. Ive fought for and against some issues right along side them on my own and have encouraged others to do the same. I have contacted pgc, and when appropriate leslators etc. on issues that were important to me as they arose and as they pertain to archery hunting etc., so i didnt ride on anyones coat-tails. I dont consider ubp an enemy, but they arent always a friend either. I dont support the views they have taken on deer management issues and the majority of bowhunters (or rifle) dont either. Thats why i wouldnt think of joining ANY of these sportsmen groups because with any of them, there is always at least one or more major issues i dont agree with that i cannot simply look past, and i would be supporting those by being a member.
Tell me where I can find where what the majority of bowhunters support and don't support. You can talk all day about working on your own, but the organizations "get" you alot more than you'll ever get yourself as a single person. One person doesn't have the clout and you know that. It is quite sad that you could label ANY hunter or hunting organization as an enemy.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:46:16
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Silver..
Are you thinking Joe Hamilton, the founder ???
Was the weather a factor the article I read did not mention any reason the writer thought the attendace was so bad ...
I image those that did attend learned a few things about deer ... I know I have enjoyed the QDMA session I have heard...
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:48:57
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It is quite sad that you could label ANY hunter or hunting organization as an enemy. Where have i?
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:50:12
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No, he is a PA rep perhaps. Not Tim Smail.. the other guy with glasses. I don't keep up with qdma so I don't have a clue. Just know him from ubp shows.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:54:58
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You just stated the reason why. You and the other PGC reps treat anyone who trys to speak against some of the things going on as thugs, whiners, bullies, complainers, idiots, etc, so after a few years of that most folks realize that unless they want more of the same there is no sense in attending those meetings. I see, read and heard that talk on the internet... At the open houses and other gatherings they are treated with the same respect the others received... unless of course they get rude and ignorant and that happens ALOT !!!!! I was at one where the guy called PGC offical B. Wallingford an "out and out LIAR" right to his face when his question was answered... so at the events I have attedned they get what they came looking for... Just like at one of Dr. Alt's last appearances ...where I asked the USP guy in the lobby for a survey to fill out becuase I did not like the PGC or its DMP... he gave me a handful of them and said "just fill them all out with different names and home towns"... so I think I can call those types "thugs".....
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 15:58:23
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It is quite sad that you could label ANY hunter or hunting organization as an enemy.
Where have i?
I dont consider ubp an enemy, but they arent always a friend either. Come on duud.. you were acting somewhat neutral about the ubp, and labeled them "not an enemy." Real clear what you're implying. btw...there aren't many people that support ALL positions of any organization they belong to. But, there comes a time to prioritize if you want what you hold closest, to get done.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 16:07:13
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"Come on duud.. you were acting somewhat neutral about the ubp, and labeled them "not an enemy." Real clear what you're implying. " What was i implying? I stated exactly what i meant. I agree with them on issues and disagree on others. I stated them not being an "enemy" because you initially acted like i was demonizing them by saying i didnt believe they spoke for majority of bow hunters on the issue of deer management, and i still dont...far from it. But anything more or less is simply you reading more into things. If you want to know how i feel about something ask. No need to guess. Aside from their stance on deer management, I also dont think they are doing themselves or anyone else any favors by being under the umbrella of Penn fed though if youd like that added 2 cents.. "btw...there aren't many people that support ALL positions of any organization they belong to." I agree. But like i said the issues i spoke of are "major" issues i can not and will not look past. Thats what it boils down to. Not simply me getting my way on every whim i may have.
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 16:07:16
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there aren't many people that support ALL positions of any organization they belong to. But, there comes a time to prioritize if you want what you hold closest, to get done.
well said.. AMEN !!!
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 16:10:05
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Settle down, we all know Penn Feds priorities doc. lol. 
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 16:16:24
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I'm settled .. just love what silver wrote == as for PFSC priorites== The mission of the Pennsylvania
Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, Inc. is to
provide a statewide, united voice for the concerns
of all sportsmen and conservationists; to insure that
their rights and interests are protected; and to
protect and enhance the environment and
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RE: What is Next In Deer Management
2011/03/01 16:28:27
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conservationists; to insure that
their rights and interests are protected Thats the accurate part that currently represents their priorities. Including the word "sportsmen" could be considered false advertising. 
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