LFZ Regs

Going up Saturday.Just getting started with fly gear.If I'm having too much trouble getting the hang of it, can I fish there with fly rod&reel but be set up with a float/indicator? I would probably be more flipping than casting in the traditional sense. Set up would be; float,swivel w/shot on tag then fly. Is this O.K.? I'll try not to screw anybody else up, maybe I can find a pool to myself. My buddy is experienced and will want to fish there.

ok thanks.

Thanks again

your line must taper as well. no running lines allowed, or no tapered line put on backwards... i believe your line cant be more than 20' before it starts to taper, but don't hold me to it.

Hey retired, tapered leaders are not a concern.. a tapered line is though. Fly fishing is traditionally based on the use of a tapered line in which the taper creates a weight in which enables you to cast. A running line (which is non-tapered) is technically illegal in either fly zone. Also, a double tapered line spooled on backwards is illegal as well. I believe I was wrong with the 20' rule. It is actually 30. So your line must begin to taper at no more than the 30' mark. If you were to use a running line, you would need some sort of sink, shooting or float tip looped on to it to fish either fly zone. In my experience, this law is not strictly enforced if you are not blatantly chuck and ducking. I fished a 9 weight extended double tapered line on a 13' 7 weight this past weekend. It effortlessly castes beautifully for me. I tend to overload a rod only 1 weight heavier, but this rod in particular performed great withe 9 weight. Any rod under 12' in length should not be overloaded more than 1 weight class. In conclusion, when traditionally casting a properly matched fly rig, no muscle is needed. Finesse is a necessity in regards to loading the rod with the line. Hope this helps. Good luck. Also, a leader with somewhat of a taper helps in most cases.

   Thanks Dime-
    Off to Cabelas tomorrow for a tapered floating line. Here I go again- is "weight forward " ok or is that just sinking line? I know that will be an option when I get there so I may as well know beforehand.
   Also-- is the thin end of the line supposed to be in front or the heavy end. In the past I always used double taper so there was always a thin end out front no matter how I loaded it.
   "school for old guys" who always used to just bait fish on the fly.

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your line must taper as well. no running lines allowed, or no tapered line put on backwards... i believe your line cant be more than 20' before it starts to taper, but don't hold me to it.

It is written in the reg book that no running line is allowed in the fly zones, but I have first-hand experience that it is indeed allowed - because I told the DEC Officer one day in the UFZ that I was using it and could not understand why they would consider it verboten - that I use it so the mudsharks will tear up my 19.99 running line instead of a $60 line.

He told me what I said made perfect sense - and he had no problem with my set-up - because he also observed me fishing and I was actually fishing - NOT C&D'ng.
My beadhead WB easily allowed me to cast 30 feet of runningline - that's all I need to work a seam.

your mileage may vary,

Your actually right wafer sorry to confuse you retired...duhhhh.. my hardy weight forward 9 weight that I fish is longer than most and does have a slight taper in the front of it so I often refer to it as a double taper. But its actually not...good catch wade. A weight forward will be more castable for sure though retired

RT:

I am no Expert, do not play one on TV, and have no aspirations to become one.

BUTT:

The EXPERT MARKETEERS do a great job of "HOOKING" the Two-Legged Rubber-Suited Pescatorial Persuers that roam the rivers and streams.

for example:
Extra double-triple tapered (multi-grain) fly line, with our space-age coating created through our patented nuclear-fission manufacturing process, provides you the confidence of casting farther than you every imagined, and while subtle, still has enough backbone to remain stiff in flight to allow a Bald Eagle the opportunity to perch on your line - midcast - for the split second required for it to point your exact target - where the fishy will eat your offering."

THEY MAKE EVERYTHING MORE COMPLICATED to make it MORE EXPENSIVE.

95% of fishermen find no benefit whatsoever from the new fangled lines on the market.
95% of the fishermen can fish just fine with CORTLAND RUNNING LINE $19.99.

Don't get me wrong - I buy WF for my smaller fly rigs - but it is the bargain basement stuff.
and it lasts me a loooong time fishing for normal stream trout.

Call me cheap - but I ain't tossin an expensive line at MUD SHARKS in a rocky-debris-strewn river like the SR.

Jeez - maybe I would catch more fish if I bought the $100 Sharkskin line (the latest FAD).

It's good that you want to learn about tapers, just don't go crazy and BITE too hard on the MARKETING BS in the fancy nancy fly fishing brochures.

The guys that custom marry different lines together and carry arsenal of shooting heads have too much friggin time on their hands - so they took up a another hobby (fly line crocheting).

that's my 2 cents worth.

Just as I said before retired... don't buy into the multi tip loop together systems they have. Just a plain jane traditional fly line. I bought a weight forward 7 weight floating line that had a long taper for salmon/steelhead. It was cortland andit was 55 dollars. A good buy in my book. It has a picture of an atlantic salmon on the front of it. I spooled it on one of my reels and put it on a 7 weight ten footer... needless to say my friend who's never fly fished before was casting beautifully with it after 2 days of instruction and managed to hook 2 fish. I will probably have that line for ten years atleast. Money well spent in my book. I tried it myself and liked it alot, but I myself prefer house of hardy fly lines....

RT - in the specificcase regarding the SR Flyzones - the main factor involved is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

The DEC wants to put an end to the CHUCK & DUCK method used there.

If so - make it SIMPLE - NO ADDED WEIGHT PERIOD !!! (shot,sinking lines,shooting tips - NONE ZERO ZILCH).
Such a rule would make the zones TRUE FLY FISHING...
Maybe allow added weight to fly only 1/8 oz like they do now.
Besides that NADA.

KEEP IT SIMPLE..

The reason they won't is that they (DEC) want to comtinue to sell licenses.
Another reason is that the merchants in Altmar go ape**** when the DEc threatens to tighetn down on their clients and customers that employ the latest high priced fishing toys in the Kiddie Pool.

Oh the HUMANITY !!!!
OHHHHHH the HYPOCRISY !!!!!

What a tangled web the man-made fishy playground known as the Salmon River has evolved into...

     I completley agree with the notion that the only way to stop a practice is to STOP that practice- not to legislate all kinds of dopy stuff without really adressing the original problem. It happens all the time and leads to other interpretations of the thought process behind the action.
  As an elected official -believe me when I tell ya- the thought about some shop selling an extra fly line or two isnt the reason. Thats never the reason otherwise you would NOT see all the Govt. hinderence of small business.
    The reason is somebody who never ever in their life went fly fishing  made up the rule when advised by  a "study committee." There is always a committee about evrything so those responsible can say "wellll we diddd consult the exxxxperts". They say this when you complain and then look at you like your the idiot. And you ask-whoo is on the comittee? Its whoever that non fisherman decided is an expert.

 Indians someday, I tell ya- Indians
    My def. of Indian- somebody who you dont even see or hear in the forest,
                              nobody even knows they are there -not even John Law.

If somebodys snaggin- go pinch em for snaggin
Im tryin t learn fly fishin at an age where its hard to learn anythin -Pleeeezzz dont make it more difficult than its got to be cause somebody else is snaggin


Hope that be simpler

course the real answer may be to just fish BELOW the bridge--but I just bought that new double taper/  weight forward/  floating ,gold plated friggen  line that i gotta put on to replace my other new cheap illegal level line and had to drive a 40 mile trip for, and a bunch of new little black #10 thingies
  Now Im gettin frustrated so i BETTER get a lousy fish

ORIGINAL: retired guy

and a bunch of new little black #10 thingiesNow Im gettin frustrated so i BETTER get a lousy fish

The REEL EXPURTS FLOSS with #22's.....

ORIGINAL: retired guy

If somebodys snaggin- go pinch em for snaggin
Im tryin t learn fly fishin at an age where its hard to learn anythin -Pleeeezzz dont make it more difficult than its got to be cause somebody else is snaggin


Hope that be simpler

course the real answer may be to just fish BELOW the bridge--but I just bought that new double taper/  weight forward/  floating ,gold plated friggen  line that i gotta put on to replace my other new cheap illegal level line and had to drive a 40 mile trip for, and a bunch of new little black #10 thingies
Now Im gettin frustrated so i BETTER get a lousy fish

RT
If the real concern is learning to flyfish then a tapered line is the way to go whether it is mandated or not.
They are designed for flycasting.
They help in turning the line , leader and fly over.
The new weight foeward lines have a much longer taper than those made 20-30 years ago and are probably the easiest to learn to cast with.
If it is the complexity of the law that is the issue, either a get a regs book (this seems to be your style) and learn them or don't fish there.

To be sure the reason for said laws are not to sell more fly lines (most would be bought online outastate anyway) but to give COs an enforcable reg to use when they see someone snagging.
Rarely as Drake said will they be going out of their wy to check taper on someone who is legitimately fishing. Much like the 4 ft rule that pinners break more often than not or the way guides put hooks on their plugs, unless you are observed snagging you will not have a problem.
At that point it comes down to does the person holding the rod think he is better than everyone else and that the rules don't apply to him.