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Why would you want to kill a doe in the late season if you had all those opportunities to kill all the doe you want during the concurrent season? Could it be you just enjoy killing more than hunting?

Why would you want to kill a doe in the late season if you had all those opportunities to kill all the doe you want during the concurrent season? Could it be you just enjoy killing more than hunting?

More like he enjoys trolling for a bite and tellin' tales more than hunting. lol.

I forgot to mention that these deer were seen on 600 acres of private  property, so I guess things are pretty good compared to some areas I rarely hunt anymore

So, what's going on in the Christmas thread anyway? I haven't been keeping up with it. Any tax rock throwing yet?

Anyone who hunts with just a knife is OK in my book.

   Merry Christmas folks and Happy holidays.

^lol

Sweet Baby Jesus forbid someone finds a good spot!

Ironhed

ORIGINAL: deerfly

Does someone have a good spot in 5C that will accept 6 new hunters?

 
Many must have good spots judging by the size of the kill in those parts.   I would suggest less time here and looking up stats in the off season and more time securing new hunting locations.  March is a great month to do it.

ORIGINAL: deerfly

Since 5C has 125 antlerless tags allocated for each forested SM. how many landowners do you think would be willing to give permission to a group of six hunters?  In fact ,I already have permission to hunt in a development that is loaded with deer, but if the deer doesn't drop in its tracks,it may end up in an anti-hunters swimming pool.

 
Probably not many but you may have to start hunting it yourself and maybe it will open up some doors for the others. 
 
You should try hunting those tight spots.  That is where the deer numbers need reduced the most.  Be smart about your shots.  Archery is the way to go.  Do you archery hunt? 

ORIGINAL: deerfly

Since 5C has 125 antlerless tags allocated for each forested SM. how many landowners do you think would be willing to give permission to a group of six hunters? If i was a self centered hunter who only cared about my own success, I am sure I could gain access to numerous properties. In fact ,I already have permission to hunt in a development that is loaded with deer, but if the deer doesn't drop in its tracks,it may end up in an anti-hunters swimming pool.

 
Even though that statistic makes it sound like the area is totally over run with hunters the fact is many hunters have a pocket full of antlerless licenses and though there are still plenty of hunters it isn’t nearly as high as it sounds.
 
To put it in perspective, by the end of the first round when both residents and non-residents could each have one license 5C had only sold 4.18 license per square mile while unit 2F was sold out at 9.19 licenses per square mile. Even by the time everyone had a change to get their second license and the third round were going on sale unit 5C had only sold 15.8 licenses per square mile.
 
From that I figure there are a lot of 5C hunters with a lot more than two or three antlerless licenses so the actual number of hunters is far less than the number of permits sold would suggest. But, then of course there aren’t a lot of wide-open spaces to call hunting areas in the unit either so I do sympathize with hunters trying to find a place to hunt there. So, I will stay up here with wide-open spaces even though we don’t have near as many deer per square mile.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

ORIGINAL: deerfly

You just can't seem to grasp the fact that it is not about me. If i gave a rats butt about harvesting a deer I wouldn't walk miles on end without a weapon and i do it both in archery , the combined season and the late ML season. Do you think I should start out my niece hunting in developments? Is that the future of deer hunting in 5C?

 
I absolutely grasp your quandary.  Few deer where you want them to be.  What is wrong with your niece harvesting deer in urban areas where they need thinned out? 
 
You seem to focus on the need to see deer yet then say that the idea of a young hunter hunting where the deer are is not appealing to you because it is in the suburbs.  There are a ton of folks that would love to have access to these places.  Hunt them and enjoy it......... 

ORIGINAL: deerfly

Do you want her to become involved in recovering a deer from an anti-hunters back yard or swimming pool? Is the future of hunting in 5C, hunting in housing developments.

 
I would want her to recover several deer where 99% of the urban deer hunters recover their deer.  In the woodlot where you were hunting.  The fact is thousands of deer are killed in urban and surburban areas close to your hunting location.  You base your unwillingness to adjust on this worst case scenario. 

ORIGINAL: deerfly

I absolutely grasp your quandary.  Few deer where you want them to be.  What is wrong with your niece harvesting deer in urban areas where they need thinned out? 

Do you want her to become involved in recovering a deer from an anti-hunters back yard or swimming pool? Is the future of hunting in 5C, hunting in housing developments.

[You seem to focus on the need to see deer yet then say that the idea of a young hunter hunting where the deer are is not appealing to you because it is in the suburbs. There are a ton of folks that would love to have access to these places. Hunt them and enjoy it.../quote]

Anyone that enjoys hunting in some ones back yard needs a deer much more than my niece and i do. However, I am glad that some hunters are willing to kill a deer wherever they can.

It pretty much is if people are going to hunt and manage the deer there. You will the first to complain though when they bring in sharp-shooters to remove the deer hunters refuse to hunt and effectivley manage.
 
If you want open spaces to hunt then you are going to have to go to a different unit to hunt, 5C just doesn’t seem to have what you desire in hunting opportunities. Thousands of hunters are able to find enjoyment in being part of the suburban deer management objectives and goals.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

post edited by RSB - 2010/12/26 22:24:28

Are they being killed in the ideal deer habitat that you hunt?  You said your crew struggled to see a deer this year. 

Yes ,deer are being killed in the ideal habitat we hunt. We killed one and the neighbors took a few but they aren't killing 14 DPSM ,which is the average for 5C.And BTW, that harvest rate equates to a harvest rate of 31 DPFSM and the audit showed w only had 21 DPSM in 2007.

Are they being killed in the ideal deer habitat that you hunt? You said your crew struggled to see a deer this year.

How many areas can you find in 2B that will accommodate 6 additional hunters. As I said before, non-hunting property owners in 5C are now closing their land to doe hunting because they enjoy seeing deer and aren't seeing enough to keep them happy.

As I said before, I would start with you and your niece if having quality deer hunting is as important to you as you say it is. 

I have no desire to introduce my niece to hunting in someone's back yard in a development.To me that is not quality hunting and is more about killing than hunting. Also, this is not about me or any other individual hunter in 5C. It is about how the PGC is trying to address overpopulation in some areas of 5 C by saturating the entire WMU with excessive doe tags which in turn has ruined the quality of deer hunting on the majority of the land open to hunting.