SilverKype
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 19:27:05
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ROTFL !!!! Not sure those sucker jokes will ever get old.
No doe tags for 4D the first week this year. My area has 700 dmap tags so I suppose some shots were at doe. I saw a 6 pt. Lots of shooting in one area about 500 yards away. Dad saw a big one chasing a doe and 2 other bucks. Saw one buck in the bed of a truck I had a pic of in October. Place I hunt back where I grew up, they killed 4 10 pts in a 300 yard area. Creeks are swelling here and it's pouring.
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 20:29:22
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Place I hunt back where I grew up, they killed 4 10 pts in a 300 yard area. If that is true, it is proof beyond a doubt that the PGC DMP has failed in your area. In 2009 the average buck harvest rate for 4 D was 2.11 bucks/SM. Harvesting 4 10 pts. in a 300yd . area has to be a new state record.Now al you have to do is provu=ide the documentation.
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 22:13:10
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It is easy to see why no one takes you seriously with posts like that. I saw 6 bucks and 4 doe from stand in an evening during October. I figure I can only see 50 yards in any given direction. 10 deer in 50yd x 50yd square, just think of the dpsm in that case!! Great logic 
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 22:17:34
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My goodness. Anything to discredit the PGC.  I thought I made it pretty clear that they are different areas hence the "Place I hunt back where I grew up" -- I hunt 4D which is dmap public land and the area I am talking about is in 4A, and is private and not dmap.
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 22:43:19
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And deerfly ..before you go and get your panties in a bunch because it occured on private land, I've seen 5 bucks (1 10, 1 9, and 3 nice 8) come off of public land in a 300 yard area. 4 in a few hours. It can and does happen..usually when there are no acorns and the deer are huddled near fields or browse-friendly cuts.
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RE: First Day
2010/11/30 23:43:18
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ORIGINAL: DarDys
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I heard two far away shots around 6:30 yesterday morning. Something tells me someone was hunting with their headlights on.
I saw 3 does, harvested the biggest one, and had it skinned by 10am. Went out this morning, got soaked from head to toe by 8:30 am, then decided to spend the rest of the day working  .
Did you see any suckers?
No, I didn't. It's gotta be Gary Alt's fault. The PGC screwed hunting. The sucker population is decimated in my area. Doubt I'll buy a license next year... it's not worth hunting anymore.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 09:18:08
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ORIGINAL: thedrake
ORIGINAL: DarDys
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I heard two far away shots around 6:30 yesterday morning. Something tells me someone was hunting with their headlights on.
I saw 3 does, harvested the biggest one, and had it skinned by 10am. Went out this morning, got soaked from head to toe by 8:30 am, then decided to spend the rest of the day working .
Did you see any suckers?
No, I didn't.
It's gotta be Gary Alt's fault. The PGC screwed hunting. The sucker population is decimated in my area. Doubt I'll buy a license next year... it's not worth hunting anymore.
Don't blame Alt, he just put the sucker rules in place. It was YOU the sucker catcher that caught them all. It is your fault. Congrats on the baldy.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 11:01:18
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wow no gun hunter is posting there pictures put if someone gets one in bow season they are sayin where is the pictures must be the gun hunters dont have a camra
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 11:12:32
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
It is easy to see why no one takes you seriously with posts like that.
I saw 6 bucks and 4 doe from stand in an evening during October. I figure I can only see 50 yards in any given direction. 10 deer in 50yd x 50yd square, just think of the dpsm in that case!! Great logic
That is a clear example why observations by individual hunters in a specific area are meaningless while discussing the statewide DMP. Based on your example the B/D ratio in that area was 1.5:1.0,which is biologically impossible in a hunted herd. However, you observation does indicated that HR hasn't been nearly as effective in that area as it has in the vast majority of the state.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 11:19:36
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ORIGINAL: SilverKype
And deerfly ..before you go and get your panties in a bunch because it occured on private land, I've seen 5 bucks (1 10, 1 9, and 3 nice 8) come off of public land in a 300 yard area. 4 in a few hours.  It can and does happen..usually when there are no acorns and the deer are huddled near fields or browse-friendly cuts.
But it doesn't happen when the herd has been reduced to 10 DPSM in areas that are 90% forested and it is not a fair example of the quality of hunting in the vast majority of the state. In 2007 we harvested around 4000 fewer 2.5+ buck than we did in 2002, the first year of ARS ,but the AR supporters were still raving about all the big buck being harvested due to ARs. While you may still have good hunting,the same can not be said for the vast majority of PA hunters.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 11:51:06
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And deerfly ..before you go and get your panties in a bunch because it occured on private land, I've seen 5 bucks (1 10, 1 9, and 3 nice 8) come off of public land in a 300 yard area. 4 in a few hours.  It can and does happen..usually when there are no acorns and the deer are huddled near fields or browse-friendly cuts.
But it doesn't happen when the herd has been reduced to 10 DPSM in areas that are 90% forested and it is not a fair example of the quality of hunting in the vast majority of the state. In 2007 we harvested around 4000 fewer 2.5+ buck than we did in 2002, the first year of ARS ,but the AR supporters were still raving about all the big buck being harvested due to ARs. While you may still have good hunting,the same can not be said for the vast majority of PA hunters.
The vast majority of PA hunters don't spend the time I do looking for good hunting. Why is this so hard to understand ? You think it just falls in my lap ? Doesn't work that way on anymore, especially on public property. No more 60 deer in a square mile with 55 of them being fawns and yearlings. You sound like half the guys I talk to that hunt the same areas I do.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 12:31:52
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No more 60 deer in a square mile with 55 of them being fawns and yearlings. You sound like half the guys I talk to that hunt the same areas I do.
We never had 60 DPSM, you PGC supporters just make up the numbers to support your misguided opinions. Furthermore, it is not about how hard the individual scouts or hunts. Hunters are currently harvesting all the deer that can be harvested on a sustainable basis, so there is no surplus that could be harvested if hunters only moved and hunted harder.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 12:47:25
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Deerfly,
Do us all a favor and start another thread if you want to pick a fight.
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SilverKype
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 12:50:50
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I looked but can't find a smiley for how I feel after reading the above. I'm not even sure they make one. How's the weather in your neck of the woods? Ever think about going hunting ?
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 12:55:48
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Deerfly,
Do us all a favor and start another thread if you want to pick a fight.
 Right on!!
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 12:59:40
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Washington County opening day. Every year less hunters and shooting in the area I was hunting. Our crew of 5 saw approximately 60 deer. Of those deer, all were feeding or walking. One 17 inch 8 point harvested. 10 bucks seen.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 13:03:07
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Morning of day 3 was a bust. Warming up and having lunch right now. Back in the woods at 2. Not many people out hunting, so the deer here aren't moving. As of right now its been raining/snowing straight since sometime very early yesterday morning. Supposed to stop between 2 and 5. We'll see how tonight goes!
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 13:05:31
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The anti PGC guys like to ruin threads. They just can't stand the fact that guys are still succesfull. They don't want to read about people actually hunting and being happy after only see several deer in one day.
I'm with Ironhed. Start a new thread for whining & fighting...preferably on another website.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 13:29:18
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I looked but can't find a smiley for how I feel after reading the above. I'm not even sure they make one. How's the weather in your neck of the woods? Ever think about going hunting ?
It is a torrential downpour with 30-40 MPH winds, not exactly conducive to hunting.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 14:33:38
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Don't want to call out S-10 but I guess I kind of am doing it but, I believe he hunts in Warren Co. and is a PGC hater...kind of, but I really don't understand it.
3 different hunters I know in Warren county saw a combined 80 deer on the first day with a full 1/3 of those bucks. 2 of the hunters were hunting near Youngsville and one was hunting near Russell. All were on private land but the majority of it is unposted or posted but open to hunting if you ask permission.
Word from others up that way was there were plenty of sightings of deer throughout many areas of the county (Scandia, Garland, the swamp off of 62 N). Yet, you'll get guys that come on here and state there aren't any deer left up there.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 17:45:24
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Remember that Warren county is split into 2 different WMUs, 2F and 1B WMU 1B has a harvest rate that is 30% higher than in 2F. Furthermore, deer density can vary significantly within any given WMU depending on the amount of hunting pressure and the amount of land off limits to hunting. That is why personal observations are meaningless when evaluating the effectiveness of the DMP.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 17:55:55
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Eyes-- I'am going to call you out on the ones near Y'ville on unposted land. PM me with the road or the names of the hunters that averaged seeing 27 different deer of which 9 were different bucks. I know the majority of hunters from that area.
post edited by S-10 - 2010/12/02 06:45:11
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 18:17:55
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ORIGINAL: deerfly
ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
It is easy to see why no one takes you seriously with posts like that.
I saw 6 bucks and 4 doe from stand in an evening during October. I figure I can only see 50 yards in any given direction. 10 deer in 50yd x 50yd square, just think of the dpsm in that case!! Great logic
That is a clear example why observations by individual hunters in a specific area are meaningless while discussing the statewide DMP. Based on your example the B/D ratio in that area was 1.5:1.0,which is biologically impossible in a hunted herd. However, you observation does indicated that HR hasn't been nearly as effective in that area as it has in the vast majority of the state.
Maybe just as meaningless as calling bullspit on Kype for stating that 4 bucks were killed in a 400 yard square? So let me get this straight, you can conclude from my observations that HR is ineffective in my area, based on 3 hours of sitting watching roughly a total area of a half acre? Do you think that in an area where there are 30dpsm that each individual deer stays in its own 21acres(roughly), and will not venture off for a plethera of reasons?
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 18:23:08
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Saw a herd of about a dozen out in the corn fields between Youngsville and Warren.
Saw a half a dozen deer coming off the mountain up by the dam at Kinzua..
I sAw more deer fishing today than I have while hunting, go figure...
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RE: First Day
2010/12/01 18:43:17
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Bings, those cornfields and the land around it are all posted hunting with permission only. The only problem is they quit giving permission and have hired an outfit to patrol it. I bow killed a couple bucks in there before the new company took it over. There was a nice buck working it before season.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/02 00:09:04
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It's hard for me to believe 80 deer and 25 or more where BUCKS, what game farm where they on.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/02 06:47:57
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It's like some guys talk about the old days when you saw 60 deer a day. They forget they were seeing the same dozen or so being bounced from hill to hill. I have challenged him on his statement, we will see what happenes now.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/02 07:36:11
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ORIGINAL: S-10
Bings, those cornfields and the land around it are all posted hunting with permission only. The only problem is they quit giving permission and have hired an outfit to patrol it. I bow killed a couple bucks in there before the new company took it over. There was a nice buck working it before season.
I kinda wondered when they were out in the field during shooting hours.. Actually there were a couple there at 1 in the afternoon...
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RE: First Day
2010/12/02 08:42:06
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Headed up to DuBois to hunt with my Fiance's dad in the spot he has for 40 some years. No doe tags for up there, so heres hoping for a buck! Good luck his weekend guys.
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RE: First Day
2010/12/02 10:15:30
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ORIGINAL: DarDys
ORIGINAL: thedrake
I heard two far away shots around 6:30 yesterday morning. Something tells me someone was hunting with their headlights on.
I saw 3 does, harvested the biggest one, and had it skinned by 10am. Went out this morning, got soaked from head to toe by 8:30 am, then decided to spend the rest of the day working .
Did you see any suckers?
Shawn - did you see any deer ?
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