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2010/10/27 10:55:05 (permalink)

3 Rods, What do you think?

Mr. Crappie posted this on another thread.I thought it was dead in the water.Just seeing what you think and voice you're opinions.

"It was reported in the recent issue of Penn. Outdoor News that Comm. Len Lichvar of Somerset county got preliminary approval of that rule at the recent PFC meeting. No word yet when it will be enacted,but usualy when a bill gets prelim. approval it goes through. sam"
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 11:03:29 (permalink)
    I'm kind of mixed on the 3 rods.It would create more havoc on the first day of Trout on lakes.I'm a Catfisherman and a third rod in my boat would be a great idea.Also as a Walleye fisherman I would love another rod out for trolling.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 11:29:37 (permalink)
    Been seeing a lot of these 3 rod threads popping up. Haven't formed an opinion on the matter and probably wont.

    IMO there's too much energy being wasted worrying about how many rods you can fish with when the focus should be improving and maintaining PA's waterways.

    Just my .02
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 16:54:30 (permalink)
    I'm all for a third rod, but I would like to see it passed like Arizona had it. You have to buy a permit for the third rod. Only like 3 dollars. It would raise revenue and if it is not pocketed by officials it would help with the cost of keeping lakes, dams or what ever.
    post edited by Struckout - 2010/10/27 16:55:06
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 17:12:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Struckout

    I'm all for a third rod, but I would like to see it passed like Arizona had it. You have to buy a permit for the third rod. Only like 3 dollars. It would raise revenue and if it is not pocketed by officials it would help with the cost of keeping lakes, dams or what ever.


    I've heard quite a few people talk about buying a permit for a third rod.The suggested price range I've heard people quote is from $2 to $7.It would definitely be a way to raise money to improve some of the waterways, only though if it goes it the right pockets.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 17:18:28 (permalink)
    A third rod hmmmmmm, the only problem i can see is for the first month or so of trout fishin. I am sure rod sales will go up, you will find more rods at the bottum of the lake.lol As for saling permits to allow this my goodness, where are people gonna draw the line as far as added fees and stamps. It is like anything else greed will ruin it too.
    post edited by spawnboy - 2010/10/27 17:20:00
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 17:35:23 (permalink)
    it's not about greed. Every forum I read someone is complaining cause of lakes closing and stuff. If this is a way to keep some of the lakes from being closed then I am all for it. The state is not able to provide the revenue (or won't) so perhaps we ( the sportsmen) need to step up and help somewhere along the line.

    An after thought would be if you do not want to pay for the third pole option... don't buy it. Fish with two poles. That way the tax is not put on everyone but the ones who would be willing to help can.
    post edited by Struckout - 2010/10/27 17:43:39
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 18:23:58 (permalink)
    well for what i understand the 3rd rod is for open water use not for bank fishin. such as trolling on open water, which would definately benefit the musky guys like myself and walleye guys as well. i dont think there was ever an intention of allowing a 3rd pole from the bank that would do nothin but cause problems. could you inmagine two guys sittin on a bank with 6 rods spread out .

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 19:08:21 (permalink)
    Charge $101.01!!!!!!!! What a lunk head idea........
    Like there is not enough yellow rod holders spread all over the lakes now!!!!!!
    Two rods have done just fine for as long as i can remember....
    Sometimes you cant watch two rods....unless you are a lunk head and cant get a fish to bite!!!?????
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 19:48:13 (permalink)
    Silly you, Its always about greed the only way "The Man" can put more money in his pocket is to charge "us" for something else. Would i pay to have 3 rods out to catch 10" trout NO, would i pay to troll 3 rods for walleye or stripers you betcha, my only problem is when does the "extra" stop. First it was bonus deer tags, then unlimited doe tags for certain sections. So 10 rods for everyone whom can afford it, like i said when is enough enough?
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 21:05:48 (permalink)
    Actually some states have no limit on the amount of rods you can use,Kentucky is one I'm pretty sure.Then there's Minnesota that has a one rod limit and that is Muskie,Walleye and Smallmouth Paradise.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 21:09:39 (permalink)
    I hope by starting this thread doesn't create hard feelings between members. Just a possible issue that could be coming and thought feedback would be good discussion.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 22:40:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: spawnboy

    Silly you, Its always about greed the only way "The Man" can put more money in his pocket is to charge "us" for something else. Would i pay to have 3 rods out to catch 10" trout NO, would i pay to troll 3 rods for walleye or stripers you betcha, my only problem is when does the "extra" stop. First it was bonus deer tags, then unlimited doe tags for certain sections. So 10 rods for everyone whom can afford it, like i said when is enough enough?


    No one ever mentioned unlimited anything, except you. You want to legally shoot a deer? Buy a license. You want to shoot a doe? Buy a doe tag. You want to shoot 4 more in Allegheny County? Buy 4 more tags. I don't see the problem with that. You're paying for the possibility to harvest more of a managed resource (resource management costs money, and is the job of "the man"). The "extra" stops when you stop buying "extra".

    Or you can have no extras and see base license fees go up for everyone.

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 23:55:10 (permalink)
    I have sat here and made 2 different stands on this and have deleted both only to merely not carry on a endless array of comments for and against this subject. Bottum line is there has to be limits if 3 gets passed someone will want 4 and so on and so forth, and many will say they will pay whatever the amount is to do it. I am simply saying when is enough, enough. The sky is not the limit here. Peoples expendable money is becoming less and less these days adding fees and charges just to get an extra buck isn't the way to keep or to get people into the sport is all i am saying.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/27 23:58:01 (permalink)
    For anything but shore fisherman it's fine...but bait dunkers locking down even more sections of water is a horrible idea.

    Though it does not really apply to me b/c I tend not to fish around people and I would need 6 arms to fish 3 rods.

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 00:26:37 (permalink)
    If IF the three rod rule passes, there will NOT be a fee/stamp attached., The commissioners can pass rule changes without legislative approval. However that can NOT raise fees, or create new stamps/licenses without it, and there is absolutely no appetite for such, in Harrisburgh.

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 08:56:19 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

    If IF the three rod rule passes, there will NOT be a fee/stamp attached., The commissioners can pass rule changes without legislative approval. However that can NOT raise fees, or create new stamps/licenses without it, and there is absolutely no appetite for such, in Harrisburgh.


    WHAT???  I guess there is a different Harrisburgh???  But Harrisburg, no matter what party is in control, ALWAYS has an appetite for more revenue!  Edit - Besides 2-3 months prior to an election, then "none" of them have an appetite for such... 

    I think 3 on a boat isn't a bad idea for open water trolling, but most trolling have 2-3 guys with 4-6 rods out already.  Those that know what they are doing, most likely don't need another rod.  Those that don't, aren't likely to benifit much with another rod out.

    For the smaller waters (smaller boats) that I fish, this would make things a bit overkill, but usually only affects those on that particular boat.  If they want to deal with additional crossed lines, snags, and possible multiple hook ups, then it really doesn't hurt others.  I find having two rods out, unless trolling or very slow conditions, too much.

    3 for shore guys is rediculous, unless they also pass a 10' rule with it.  Can't take up more shore line than 10' (combined 1-3 rods) cast directly out...  There are already trashballs using 3 rods, casting the two outside ones practically parallel to the shore, and third straight out.  Taking up about 100 yards of shore line.  These idiots would end up using 4 rods.

    I wouldn't care if they charge or not.  I have not trust in our state government to keep these funds in the PFBC or even DEP.  If they did, then I'd be for the permit, although wouldn't purchase one.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 10:25:27 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: spawnboy

    I have sat here and made 2 different stands on this and have deleted both only to merely not carry on a endless array of comments for and against this subject. Bottum line is there has to be limits if 3 gets passed someone will want 4 and so on and so forth, and many will say they will pay whatever the amount is to do it. I am simply saying when is enough, enough. The sky is not the limit here. Peoples expendable money is becoming less and less these days adding fees and charges just to get an extra buck isn't the way to keep or to get people into the sport is all i am saying.


    I understand the slippery slope argument, but I don't think it really applies here. Allowing boats to run 3 rods will not end up with everyone fishing as many rods as they want spending $400 a year in extra rod permits. Is there a small group that would immediately want 4 rods? Sure. Theres also people who think that any form of fishing at all should be legal anywhere at all, and they actively lobby for just that year after year, but it never happens. You're right the sky is not the limit, reality is, and jumping from 3 rods to as many as you can carry is not reality.

    So you're against a voluntary fee (even if it is 2 or 3 bucks) to use an extra rod. If someone really can't afford a $3 extra rod permit, then I guess they have to fish with only 2 rods at a time like the rest of us poor slobs. If you want something extra, you generally have to pay more. Thats true in any field, not just the PAFBC. You want extra food at a restaurant, you pay for it, thats why pizz aplaces list the prive for EXTRA toppings. You want extras added onto a vehicle when you buy it, you pay more. You want extras added onto your fishing license, you pay more. Pretty standard way of doing things.

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 10:48:38 (permalink)
    How the devil will I operate 3 flyrods?
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 10:58:12 (permalink)
    Never had a problem fishing unlimited rods in TX on the beach surfishing.  Fished 6 to 8 rods regularly but I used all circle hooks and the beaches where we fished were never that crowded. 
     
    Funny how guys in the south can seem to fish multiple rods (crappie fishing and spider rigging or catfishing on the bank or bump trolling live baits for hybrid stripers, etc.) without much of a problem but you mention it up here in the north and some people get all worked up over it.  Just don't allow more than the current 2 rods on approved trout waters for the first week/2 weeks/month (whatever makes sense) for trout season and most of your problems are solved. 
     
    As far as a permit for that extra rod, neither for or against it.  I would buy it if I had to but if it is free, so be it.  I do think the PFBC and PGC are due for a license increase, no matter how unpalatable that may be to some, because their fixed costs continue to increase while their steady income has not changed much or even gone down with decreased license sales.  Their unsteady income fluctuates too much to depend on each year (timber sales, oil/gas/coal royalties and leases, etc.).  Salaries, benefits, equipment replacement, fuel and maintenance costs all continue to go up each year.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 11:33:30 (permalink)
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    How the devil will I operate 3 flyrods?


    lol that's why I said I would need 6 arms

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 11:56:44 (permalink)
    for trolling 3 rods would be ok not for bank fishing, two is enough on the bank when u got 10 guys lined up fishing with 20 rods its not ao much fun fishing anymore
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 13:48:26 (permalink)
    hose that know what they are doing, most likely don't need another rod. Those that don't, aren't likely to benifit much with another rod out.


    This is what I'm saying!!!!!sometimes i cant handle one!!!!!!!
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 14:09:40 (permalink)
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    hose that know what they are doing, most likely don't need another rod. Those that don't, aren't likely to benifit much with another rod out.


    This is what I'm saying!!!!!sometimes i cant handle one!!!!!!!


    No no no, hoes that know what they are doing always want another rod.

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 14:15:55 (permalink)
    Logan wins this debate!
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 15:37:54 (permalink)
    Lol!! Never thought we'd have to bring the hoes in this.But again their expertise is rods and what to do with them.
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 19:57:34 (permalink)
    i can't handle 2 let alone 3 !
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/28 21:35:19 (permalink)
    wish they will but not holding my breath on it the pa trout commish willn't do anything that is not in the favor of pellet heads. either way willn't change how i fish.

    your "game fish" is my bait.....got flathead!!
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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/29 01:13:29 (permalink)
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    wish they will but not holding my breath on it the pa trout commish willn't do anything that is not in the favor of pellet heads. either way willn't change how i fish.


    english plz?

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    RE: 3 Rods, What do you think? 2010/10/29 11:45:46 (permalink)
    "I do think the PFBC and PGC are due for a license increase, no matter how unpalatable that may be to some, because their fixed costs continue to increase while their steady income has not changed much or even gone down with decreased license sales."

    Pgc still has over 35 million in reserve fund last i checked, and own 500,000 + acres worth of mineral rights in marcellus shale zone that has barely begun to be tapped. Although im sure they appreciate your concern, lol, Im thinking they're just fine. Besides, they were prevented that fee increase for a reason. Legislators dont support it, and polled sportsmen (taken by state representatives in their respective districts) dont support it by a long shot, because of mismanagement. Legislators were asked to step in and they did. Although at this point with pgc finances increasing its meaningless to that end anyway, but still no reason to pay more when its not needed. They have caused enough hunters to drop out of our sport as it is. Dont need to give them another reason to quit imho.

    PFBC fee increase? Havent followed them closely so have no opinion.
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    As for 3 rods, my only concern would be the effect to fisheries where you see people bank fishing with 6 kids and the wife, and keep everything they catch from undersized bass to drum & cats. Sounds like it would be beneficial to implement size restrictions on flatheads & bag limit restrictions on some species that somewhat limit the takes. In some areas it would also greatly increase the families mercury & pcb's intake.
    post edited by wayne c - 2010/10/29 11:52:32
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