chicken27
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HUNTING SETUPS
What is everybody hunting setups?I want to the bow shop tonight to get my new arrows but didn't.One of the guys at the shop shot my bow through paper.He cut bullet holes.I still had a slight tear but not bad he said.I just hope a 365 grain arrow is going to be heavy enough for hunting.My setup is going to be a hoyt maxxis 31 at 27 inch draw 70# 298 fps with st axis and rage titanium and G5 t3's.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/08 21:16:31
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Hoyt Razortec
29.5" DL @ #72
Carbon Express Piledrivers capped off with a Rage 2-Blade
I see no issues in shooting a 365gr arrow, I took some deer with my current bow and 370gr Gold Tips with no problems. I am up to around 405-410gr arrows with the Piledrivers now. I am sure I sacrificed some speed, but it really doesn't seem to be impacting my target shooting at all.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 00:41:10
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Chicken no problem. What length is your arrow shaft, and what spine? 400? What weight broadhead? 100?
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 05:57:07
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I'll be shooting a ALPHA MAX 32 28inch draw @70#, shoot threw rest,Easton XX75 2315 Aluminum yeah know stone age LOL rage 2 blade. which will be the first time with mechanical in a long time. Well since the old satellite blood trail heads and they sucked
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 06:18:56
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26.5 inch arrow 500 spine with a 100 grain broadhead.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 08:49:22
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chicken-- shooting thru paper at one distance doesn't say much as all, if infact that was what you were doing. While getting a perfect hole at 5,10,20,30 ..etc.. is much better, its only saying that your set point and rest are tuned and says nothing about the rest of your bow. Also, try it with different arrows..it'll drive you nuts.
I do not like getting pre-made arrows from shops because most are straight fletched. Straight fletched will not fly nearly as good as offset or helical, especially with a broadhead. It is in essence the difference in flight of a knuckleball and a fast ball. Throw some wind into the equation and you got yourself a problem. Gotta get some spin on those arrows for a perfect flight. If you don't want to build your own, ask the shop to build them. Perfect arrow flight really is a major factor in max penetration.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 09:39:28
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ORIGINAL: chicken27
What is everybody hunting setups?
Going with the Excalibur Vortex shooting Gold Tip Laser II's, brass inserts, G5 Strikers at 312fps.
My rifle is a black rifle
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 10:09:12
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I shoot a PSE Bow Madness at #70. With Maxima 350's I'm shooting just over 302 fps. I've been shooting G5 tekans for the past couple of years, but may buy a pack of the T3's if any of the shops around me can get them back in stock soon.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 12:11:42
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I will be shooting a 10-point crossbow, 310 fps, with 2 blade rage broadheads. bow has a non-magnified 3 dot laser scope. I hope to actually shoot at something this year. I want to see what those rage broadheads will do.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 14:48:19
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Alpha max 32. 29" 70lb draw. Easton FMJ 400s. Grim reaper 100 grain razor tip heads.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 18:20:07
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SilverKype has put up some good facts here.I fletch my Blazers with a 2% offset. Ckicken I was wondering why you went with a 500 spine and not a 400? The 400 is more in line with your set-up as far as spine. Also the 500 is 8.1 gpi while the 400 is 9.0 gpi. ORIGINAL: SilverKype
chicken-- shooting thru paper at one distance doesn't say much as all, if infact that was what you were doing. While getting a perfect hole at 5,10,20,30 ..etc.. is much better, its only saying that your set point and rest are tuned and says nothing about the rest of your bow. Also, try it with different arrows..it'll drive you nuts.
I do not like getting pre-made arrows from shops because most are straight fletched. Straight fletched will not fly nearly as good as offset or helical, especially with a broadhead. It is in essence the difference in flight of a knuckleball and a fast ball. Throw some wind into the equation and you got yourself a problem. Gotta get some spin on those arrows for a perfect flight. If you don't want to build your own, ask the shop to build them. Perfect arrow flight really is a major factor in max penetration.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 21:16:20
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That's what the guys at the bow shop made me up.I asked numerous times about the spine they said it's not that big of a deal with a 26.5 arrow.I called easton today the lady told me to be in a 500 spine the arrow would have to be 24 inches or less?The wife is giving some cash for my b-day so maybe i'll get some speed studs and a half dozen of 400 spines.Did you get your new bow yet outdoor?If i was under spine they say i wouldn't be able to group.The last few times shooting at 30 yards i could cover my 4 arrows i shot with a quarter?
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 22:08:09
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bowtech black ice set at i think 65 pounds think its shooting around 250-260fps, with a 75 grain head. i believe its around your weight 365? i never weighed it but i think the arrow cut at 29 was 302(easton xx75 2413's) but i think mines lil longer so maybe its around 380w/broadhead i dunno. i know my draw is around 30.
I think you are over analayzing your bow set up..lol it looks fine to me. just get it tuned to one set up..stop playing around!!!!!! start shooting!!
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 22:16:35
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Hoyt Maxxis 35" 93#
480 grain Easton Axis tipped with 2 blade Rage
318 FPS. KE = 103 lbs/sqin
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/09 22:37:08
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Yes I did get my new Maxxis and I like it a lot. Shooting the St Epic 400's, 100 gr tips, 26.5"shaft, 27.5 draw length at 67#. I went with the St Epic as they are a little lighter than the St Axis, 8.6 gpi vs 9.0 gpi. I was looking for a (middle of the road) set up as far as speed vs weight.I have to run through my chrony just out of curiosity.I don't think you are to far off spine and I'm sure your set up will be fine for hunting.If you are getting those groups as you mentioned, stick with what you got. Can I ask what shop you deal with? ORIGINAL: chicken27
That's what the guys at the bow shop made me up.I asked numerous times about the spine they said it's not that big of a deal with a 26.5 arrow.I called easton today the lady told me to be in a 500 spine the arrow would have to be 24 inches or less?The wife is giving some cash for my b-day so maybe i'll get some speed studs and a half dozen of 400 spines.Did you get your new bow yet outdoor?If i was under spine they say i wouldn't be able to group.The last few times shooting at 30 yards i could cover my 4 arrows i shot with a quarter?
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 05:43:19
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I use Easton 2315's @ 28inches and a 100gr head.They are just a little over 500gr. Which is heavy but will knock the Sheet out of a deer. The other evening shooting had put a couple lumenok's on they look cool when you shoot well till you shoot and **** the light goes out and you have pieces of knock lying on the ground. There goes 10 bucks.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 07:03:51
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I really can't say outdoor because these guys are great.I just read to much and worry way to much about things.The one bow tech shoot my bow and was getting bullet holes at 20 yards.I shot it was getting light tears.If i got problems they take the time to try an get you straighing out.I'm not ****ing about the shop i just read to much and everything is saying 400 spines.I would scarifice 17 fps to go with a heavy arrow is it worth it?One more thing is all i would gain was momentum ke would stay the same.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 09:56:07
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KE= 1/2 x M x V^2
Anyways, I am shooting Beeman ICS Hunter 340's (9.3 gpi)(look eerily familiar to the Cabelas arrows I bought several years ago) at 28.5" with 100 gr Magnus 2 blades at 70# out of a Martin Bonehunter (Cheetah). Have no idea what the speed is but it is quite a bit faster than my old Mathews FX set at the same poundage but shooting longer arrows.
Has anyone ever tried the NAP Quickspin or Twister quick fletches, the shrink wrap ones? I buggered up the fletch on several arrows when practicing with BH's and wanted a review on them. Ever want to see what shooting an arrow with crappy fletch will do, shoot a sliced blazer vane. Sounds like a rocket flying through the air and I lost about 8" at 30 yds due the extra wind resistance. Also, if you have a sloppy fletch job on your arrows, get an exacto knife and clean up the little gobs of glue. It will make a difference in your groups.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 11:33:36
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I understand and there are good shops in your area. Not saying they were wrong in selling you the 500's.I was just curious.Your tears could be from your grip and the torque you are giving the bow upon release.I used to shoot through paper time after time until I was consistently shooting bullet holes.Experiment you got nothing to loose. If you are getting groups at 30 yds, then don't worry about it. I know many guys that would like to shoot your size groups at 15 yds. Your setup sounds sounds fine. Ask 10 guys and you will get 10 different answers. Good luck and don't forget to practice from a tree stand. The closest shots are the toughest. ORIGINAL: chicken27
I really can't say outdoor because these guys are great.I just read to much and worry way to much about things.The one bow tech shoot my bow and was getting bullet holes at 20 yards.I shot it was getting light tears.If i got problems they take the time to try an get you straighing out.I'm not ****ing about the shop i just read to much and everything is saying 400 spines.I would scarifice 17 fps to go with a heavy arrow is it worth it?One more thing is all i would gain was momentum ke would stay the same.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 11:41:57
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I'm not a fan of the shrink wrap fletches. They seem to work fine and are great when in a pinch but I would rather use the single vane, one thing is less weight. A clean neat fletch job with a 2% offset is hard to beat.Easy on the glue, you don't need much. ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz
KE= 1/2 x M x V^2
Anyways, I am shooting Beeman ICS Hunter 340's (9.3 gpi)(look eerily familiar to the Cabelas arrows I bought several years ago) at 28.5" with 100 gr Magnus 2 blades at 70# out of a Martin Bonehunter (Cheetah). Have no idea what the speed is but it is quite a bit faster than my old Mathews FX set at the same poundage but shooting longer arrows.
Has anyone ever tried the NAP Quickspin or Twister quick fletches, the shrink wrap ones? I buggered up the fletch on several arrows when practicing with BH's and wanted a review on them. Ever want to see what shooting an arrow with crappy fletch will do, shoot a sliced blazer vane. Sounds like a rocket flying through the air and I lost about 8" at 30 yds due the extra wind resistance. Also, if you have a sloppy fletch job on your arrows, get an exacto knife and clean up the little gobs of glue. It will make a difference in your groups.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 11:51:44
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Sounds like to need to shoot multi spots or move back. LOL ORIGINAL: BIGHEAD
I use Easton 2315's @ 28inches and a 100gr head.They are just a little over 500gr. Which is heavy but will knock the Sheet out of a deer. The other evening shooting had put a couple lumenok's on they look cool when you shoot well till you shoot and **** the light goes out and you have pieces of knock lying on the ground. There goes 10 bucks.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 11:58:38
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I asked 20 or 30 different guys they all said the same thing.They said that the 500 spine arrow is under spine for 70#.I will scarifice some speed but i think i will be shooting the 400 spine this hunting season.Alot of guys keeping saying heavy equals more ke but take my numbers and i come up with the same ke.I will gain momentum with the heavier arrows so which is better more momentum or speed?
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 13:58:27
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Well it all depends, speed helps out if you miss judge yardage. A heavier shaft I think is better for hunting. As I mentioned in an earlier post I choose to go middle of the road. The St Axis would of been a better hunting shaft but I also wanted to keep the speed up as well. Reason I went with St Epic. Most important is shot placement. Don't worry about your set up, you'll be fine. If you want to spend some $ go with the 400's. You can always sell the 500's. If you don't have a problem with guessing yardage, than I would go with a heavy shaft. ORIGINAL: chicken27
I asked 20 or 30 different guys they all said the same thing.They said that the 500 spine arrow is under spine for 70#.I will scarifice some speed but i think i will be shooting the 400 spine this hunting season.Alot of guys keeping saying heavy equals more ke but take my numbers and i come up with the same ke.I will gain momentum with the heavier arrows so which is better more momentum or speed?
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 17:35:37
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ORIGINAL: chicken27
Alot of guys keeping saying heavy equals more ke but take my numbers and i come up with the same ke.I will gain momentum with the heavier arrows so which is better more momentum or speed?
I had this discussion with my father in law who's taught physics for quite some time. He tells me momentum has more bearing penetration than KE. What he said made sense after he explained it. I don't feel like typing it all, but I did find this article which sums up what he said pretty well, and goes further into it.... http://tradgang.com/ashby/Arrow%20Lethality%205.htm
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/10 22:32:40
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I am no physicist but...
An arrow will suffer in the penetration department if it is not flying true. An arrow wobbling in flight and impacting the target at an angle will lose momentum because the momentum is no longer all in the same direction.
Also, a softer spined arrow will loose momentum from deflection on impact. A stiffer shaft will "flex" less upon impacting, keeping the momentum in the desired direction.
We are now down to "splitting hairs", but my real point is that while KE and momentum are good indicators, however there is no substitute for a properly tuned bow with the right arrow.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/11 01:11:04
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+1 ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
I am no physicist but...
An arrow will suffer in the penetration department if it is not flying true. An arrow wobbling in flight and impacting the target at an angle will lose momentum because the momentum is no longer all in the same direction.
Also, a softer spined arrow will loose momentum from deflection on impact. A stiffer shaft will "flex" less upon impacting, keeping the momentum in the desired direction.
We are now down to "splitting hairs", but my real point is that while KE and momentum are good indicators, however there is no substitute for a properly tuned bow with the right arrow.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/11 11:24:39
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I move any farther back I'll be shooting from my neighbor's porch LOL
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/12 12:11:44
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I thought splitting hairs was what the thread was all about? I'm stuck about 5 yrs ago in the trendy archery dept. Just never had a reason to change when you have such a proven set-up. Mathews LX (told ya I'm out of date) 65# draw (i like the lighter weight to allow more awkward drawing angles in the treestand and full-draw hold times) Carbon Express CS300 (I don't think they make the 300 spine anymore), ~365 grains with insert. G5 Montec in 100 gr. Once I run out of arrows and broadheads I plan to go all out and invest in the latest technology. Will probably be next year if I fling more than 2 arrows through the woods. Can't wait to drop $1200 in the latest and greatest.
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/12 21:20:10
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While the bow pros played with my bow over the weekend.They got me up to 288 fps with the 410 grain arrow.So here is my hunting rig for this year. Bow Maxxis 31 70# Rest QAD ultra rest HD Arrows 26.5 inch ST.Axis realtree 400 spine with all white blazers,white nocks and 4 inch white wraps. Broadheads rage titanium and G5 T3's. Release Scott sabertooth NCS. Sight HHA DSXL-5519 with rehostat. 5/16 G5 Meta Peep. My rig should be putting out 76# of KE 
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RE: HUNTING SETUPS
2010/09/13 01:51:36
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That sounds better. Sounds like they have spent some time with you. That's good to hear. What rest are you using? I just bought a Sabertooth a few weeks ago, so far so good. ORIGINAL: chicken27
While the bow pros played with my bow over the weekend.They got me up to 288 fps with the 410 grain arrow.So here is my hunting rig for this year.
Bow Maxxis 31 70#
Arrows 26.5 inch ST.Axis realtree 400 spine.
Broadheads rage titanium and G5 T3's.
Release Scott sabertooth NCS.
Sight HHA DSXL-5519 with rehostat.
5/16 G5 Meta Peep.
My rig should be putting out 76# of KE
post edited by Outdoor Adventures - 2010/09/13 01:57:17
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