Homewaters

I had heard from others that this "club" was the one that had private water (if that's even possible - guess it is though) on Elk and 20 Mile ....... today after I got the mail here was a large envelope with apparently their latest pricing and offerings for memberships. Totally blew me away. I believe I could justify paying $5,000 for a week of guided fishing with daily flyouts out of Bristol Bay in Alaska but to pay twice that much for 7 days on Elk or 20?.... Amazing. $475 for one nights lodging and 1 day guided - $1798 for 2 days. It goes up from there to $19,500 for 2 people for 7 days with a $7400 annual dues payment. The real deal is if ya got a family who wants to give them a visit - dues are $10,000 a yr. with a deposit of $59,500 for 21 days of access. Don't think so ---- I'm gonna pass. It's with the rest of the junk mail. Don't get me wrong here - I totally love these waters but to pay more money than what I paid for my house 30 yrs ago for 21 days of fishin........?

,just have to hope for the reach-around

Homewaters is the new name of the spring ridge club. It's holdings are more than just the two Erie tribs mentioned.

If I had that kind of money, I certainly would not join the club..........I might buy my own property with a stream on it........enhance the creek and put fish in it only if the creek didn't hold a wild population of trout.......but, not join some elite fishing club........that's just me.......

making a buck is fine.........that is outrageous to charge that amount of money to fish for steelhead you and I, and every license holder in PA pays for.......if the state is looking for ways to make money, which they are, they should find a way to tax those individuals or businesses who use STATE RAISED and STOCKED fish to earn major moolah while operating on Private Lands......get something written into law that states if you PRIVATIZE property and charge fees to fish upon said lands with streams running through them that have STATE stocked fish running the property, you would be subject to a FINAL TAX determined by ANNUAL INCOME from said business on those particular waters......also, wouldn't the land be worth more--money earned from these clubs / fisherman--so the land should be put into a higher tax bracket--determined by amount of money earned from said business on property......

Now, I'm not saying mom and pop who charge a few bucks to park and fish should be lumped in with these goons......I'm talking about land, sections of streams that are privatized for the sole purpose of making large amounts cash on the fish that the state provides.......

isn't 6-mile creek private?  Does anyone stock fish in six mile creek or they too depend on OUR fish to run THEIR stream?

I just don't know......paying that kind of cash to fish a very small percentage of Erie tribs is insane.......

so, adjust tax rates on the land owner --  find a way to tax the business who operates on private land that is using OUR fish to make money...........

land open to the public.......whatever......no problem with that.....

not sure if there is an answer........other than not joining..........which, I would bet, most on this board wouldn't do......even if they had the cash, they wouldn't do it
 
PS......didn't Beaver state that he does what he does so that our children will have a place to fish in the future?  

If I had that kind of money I'd move to New Brunswick and fish the Miramichi every day and forget about the erie tribs.

ORIGINAL: Plum Bob

If I had that kind of money I'd move to New Brunswick and fish the Miramichi every day and forget about the erie tribs.

 
 
+1!!!!!!!  
 
Either there or some secluded place in the PNW.

thats totally outragous but as bigfoot stated somebody will probably take up the deal. some rich person and i agree it is bull that they can do that with the fish we all pay for its different if they are stocking there own fish also but highly unlikly that that is happening.

Like Norm mention's - this club has holdings in Colorado and throughout PA, not just in Erie. There must be others who are willing to pay the price to fish this water for them to maintain this business. Although the Deetz and I did fish down to the upper stretch last year - I'm really not too familiar with the water there. You all who live there know how the water is better than I but I doubt if there are any barriers in place as there were plenty of steel above the wire. Again - for me - I can justify spending the $ on fishing with a lodge in say - Alaska (which I hope to do next summer.) But that offers so much more - with daily fly outs and such. But for this..... again - not for my $. And the taxing of the owner for this type of business - good point!

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

No fish barriers in place, but man do I miss the Hole at the steel bridge on 20 mile...

Only time I miss that spot is on thanksgiving. It use to be my go to spot because there were very few people there that day. Otherwise beavers guys can have that shale crap.

That was about the last time I fished it PB, '81-'82....More fish than fishermen...

ORIGINAL: flyfisherman

this may be off topic but i am curious as to whether or not beaver placed some sort of man made barriers in his sections to keep fish stationed in once place. I am honestly considering taking a hike along these posted waters soon to see what is up. Also, i completly agree that it is wrong to make huge profits by buying and posting land filled with fish payed by PA license owners.

 
No in stream barriers.  But it is posted obviously and it is private property.  It is not "owned" by the club, they lease the rights to fish there from the landowner/landowners.  Entering is trespassing and you're on your own there.

Makes me wonder why people with that kind of money would be stupid enough to pay that to fish those waters,as said there are many areas that I would want to fish for that kind of money that are far better than any Erie trib.
And yes indeed those enterprises should be taxed as 2b mentioned,but we all know that'll never happen.

The thing is, I have never seen the cops/game/boat commish come and make an arrest or give warnings for trespassing. I also believe that I heard/read somewhere that the cops would not answer to any trespassing calls that are based on 20 mile. I personally would not be worried about fishing the "private water". Thats just me though.

ORIGINAL: HCsteel

The thing is, I have never seen the cops/game/boat commish come and make an arrest or give warnings for trespassing. I also believe that I heard/read somewhere that the cops would not answer to any trespassing calls that are based on 20 mile. I personally would not be worried about fishing the "private water". Thats just me though.

 
So you don't care about private property and the owner's rights?
 
I'm going to assume that you don't own any property or you'd think differently. 
 
It's only a freaking mutt lake run rainbow dude.  There are thousands of them all over Erie County. 

ORIGINAL: D-nymph

ORIGINAL: HCsteel

The thing is, I have never seen the cops/game/boat commish come and make an arrest or give warnings for trespassing. I also believe that I heard/read somewhere that the cops would not answer to any trespassing calls that are based on 20 mile. I personally would not be worried about fishing the "private water". Thats just me though.

So you don't care about private property and the owner's rights?

I'm going to assume that you don't own any property or you'd think differently. 

It's only a freaking mutt lake run rainbow dude.  There are thousands of them all over Erie County. 

Yes the owner has rights but when the water is/was navigable and I stay within the highwater mark it shouldn't matter. If they need the money bad enough to post their property for it then they obviously don't care about the fishery. It's also hard for a 17 year old to buy and own land but that is besides the point.  That mutt lake run rainbow is the fish I live for, maybe when Im your age and have fished many different places for multiple species it will be different. It is all what you make it duud .  Whatever your favorite fish and water to fish them is, that is steelhead in Erie for me.