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2009/12/14 10:08:02 (permalink)

Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground To Close

Ladies & Gentlemen

I just got off the phone with the park office at Jamestown. They want to close tuttle camp ground for next year due to cost saving. If you enjoy using this camp ground Please call  down to Jamestown and tell them NO!!!!. We must work together to try and stop this form happing, once again its big government trying to take away the things we love to do. Start at Jamestown and work your way up through the system all the way up to the Governor. This camp ground brings so much business to the local stores and bait shops this will really hurt them. If your a fishermen such as myself this is one of the best access to the lake out of tuttle launch. The Park Manager for pymatuning needs to hear your voice.

Call and stop this action Please.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2009/12/14 20:17:34 (permalink)
    Ladies & Gentlemen
    I have done some more research on this and have found some contact numbers and names of the local representatives for Crawford county. And also the D.C.N.R. contact information to call and voice your opinion. Please contact these people and let your voice be heard on this matter. Together we can stop this . Thank You.

    Dcnr Director of parks ( The head Guy ) John Norbeck 717-787-6640
    Dcnr Acting Secretary ( Money Man ) John Quigley 717-772-9084
     
    State Representatives
     
    Robert Robbins- 724-588-1323 or 814-336-2760
    John R Evans - 814-734-2793
    Brad Roae - 814-336-1136
    Michele Brooks - 724- 588-8911
    Jamestown Park - 724-932-3141   Ask for Pete or Jason
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/12 20:26:04
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/10 19:19:55 (permalink)
    any update on tuttle closing? i called right after christmas and the park office said if they got funding it could possibly still open. also said the only way they could see getting any funding was if the table games passed. now that they passed i'm wondering if they'll get any money?
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/12 11:33:52 (permalink)
    PaperMouth
    How are you doing, Nice to see someone else is concerned about Tuttle camp ground possibly closing. I talked to the park and there is no change,Park is still slated for closing. I have talked to all the representatives and local Senator. There is a meeting next week to talked about this subject.

    I say once again if you use this park please call these people and tell them to keep the park open. Call down to Jamestown and talk to the park Manager tell him to find the Money and keep this park open. There is a big run around with all this and they try and pass the buck, But in the end its the people that use the park that get Screwed.

    Dcnr Director of parks ( The head Guy ) John Norbeck 717-787-6640
    Dcnr Acting Secretary ( Money Man ) John Quigley 717-772-9084
     
    State Representatives
     
    Robert Robbins- 724-588-1323 or 814-336-2760
    John R Evans - 814-734-2793
    Brad Roae - 814-336-1136
    Michele Brooks - 724- 588-8911
    Jamestown Park - 724-932-3141   Ask for Pete or Jason
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/12 20:19:58
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/12 20:12:01 (permalink)
    Here is a link to read on this and see who suggested doing this. The Park Manager. Let'em have it ladies and Gentlemen, Call , call call,call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. We have strength in numbers.
     
    This is the same Park Manager that tried and stop the feeding of bread to the fish at linesville. That did not work and we The people need to stop this to. Thank You.


    http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/pa/2009/51/articles/presque_isle_pymatuning_plan_cuts_wake_tight_state.html
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/12 20:23:31
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/13 21:25:38 (permalink)
    sounds like they are trying to force everyone down to the huge jamestown campground.  may be easier to maintain two sites rather than three.  always thought tuttle was beautiful even though we camp the ohio side (we are oh. res.).  i hate austerity.

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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/13 22:38:04 (permalink)
    i have called and voiced my opinions once but i will call again. i would hate to see this place close.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/14 14:23:49 (permalink)
    Ladies & Gentlemen

    I have done some more research and calling around on the possible closure of tuttle camp ground. And this is not a State, Harrisburg  issue but a local one made by the Park Manager Pete Houghton. We were told it was because of funding and so on. But in my opinion it sounds like poor Management to me.

    I have been using this same camp ground for over 40 years and spend a month to a month 1/2 there every year. Now what.

    What I would like to know is Mr Houghton is Your Park closing this year that you use, or are you just closing everyone else's. And ruining there vacations.
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/14 19:01:58
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/14 17:59:55 (permalink)
    wt, don't let up.  on the ohio side, they once had a group camp, a primitive and the main campground.  they closed the first two over the years, then began cutting.  they went from four rangers to two, cut the maintenance staff, and visitor services a lot.  the park is nowhere near what it once was.  once you lose it, there is little chance of getting it back.

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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/14 18:59:05 (permalink)
    Thanks Rap

    I won't give up until I am cold and in the ground, this park means a lot to me and my family. And a large group of fishermen that use this park in the spring. I have made some life long friends at this park and see them every year while fishing in the spring. I don't understand how one guy can make a decision to close the park when it belongs to all of us, Pennsylvanians that is. There should be a public meeting on this and a vote. This is all about Money and the inability of one man not doing his job. If the Park made money for all those years and has not sense he has been running it, Then in my opinion that's poor Management of the park and it's resources.

    This is why I posted this on here to get this information out to my Brother fisherman & Women and try and stop this from happening. We have a voice and it needs to be heard. Hear my voice don't close my PARK!!!!! 
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/14 19:01:21
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/15 00:08:40 (permalink)
    wt, i'll keep tryin buddy. i'm with ya on this. i'll call again,and again,and again. until they get the message.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/15 16:31:50 (permalink)
    Thanks PaperMouth, all we can do is try and get more people involved and hope this works. If it does not pan out I will still be there in the spring they can't take that from me but it just won't be the same as seeing old friends and fishing buddies. We all share something special when we are there and on the lake. God willing this place will remain open. But its hard to fight, The Man. Thanks for the help.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/15 19:38:15 (permalink)
    I noticed this past year Tuttle Campground seemed quite empty at times. I was amazed that even on weekends there would be lakefront sites open. So I can understand why they chose to close Tuttle. Maybe you should consider buying a camp up here. That is what I did a couple of years ago. Quite frankly, then the closing Tuttle isn't really a bad thing. I would only hope they would open the campground ramp for us to use.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/15 21:23:23 (permalink)
    The DCNR is cutting in many areas of the state due to budget. Our great Govenor is much more interested in opening casinos.I haven't camped in years but feel it is very wrong to close facilites such as Tuttle CG.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/15 21:29:43 (permalink)
    PinBall

    I have thought about that over the years, But thats not what this is about. Its about tradition and family. My parents have taken me to this camp for over 30 years and I have been going to pymatuning now for 42 years.  I have been taking my Nephews there for the last ten years and they were upset when I told them we may not be going there this year.

    Not only that but if they shut the camp down just think of the impact it will have on the local business thousand of people use that camp every year and the locals will be hurt big time. From Puff's Place to Yorkie's, Old Saltys and Little Bit. The campers that stay at Tuttles all buy from theses stores. I myself put 3 to 4 thousand in that local economy and know many of the local store owners by name over the years and its sad that one guy and his poor management his threaten to destroy it all. Sad very Sad.

    I know for a fact the park manager has been wanting to shut this place down for years now. Many people have heard the same. It's his job to run the parks and make sure all three parks stay open the Man before him did it for 30 years why can't he manage to do it ??  Sad!!
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/16 19:28:20 (permalink)
    WT,

    It still can be a tradition of coming to Espyville, enjoying the area & the lake. You said you thought about it a few times. I only say this because owning my camp was one of the best decisions I ever made. Now I visit the area more and patronize all of those businesses more than I would have with my once a year visits. I am just mearly suggesting a "Plan B".

    Take care,
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/16 22:24:58 (permalink)
    Pinball, I hear what your saying.
     
    And I have thought about it and that still may be in the plans one day. But for now its not an option. I just don't go once a year I have business in the area and I keep my boat up there all year long and fish the lake every chance I get about every other weekend and I always stay at tuttle. So theres  more to it then that. But I do respect your opinion , and advice. 
     
    But its not about me, its about the camp and the impact it will have on all the Pennsylvanians that use the park and who will be disenfranchised because of the closure of the park. Do to poor management and work ethic that has brought it to this decision. The people of Pennsylvanian should ask for the removal of the park manager if the park closes. Just my opinion.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/19 18:33:12 (permalink)
    just read an article saying that do to a lack of funding 24 parks were slated to be closed, but do to public outcry parks won't be closed. there will however be a cut in open season length, maint., mowing, snow plowing, and such. i don't know if this applies to tuttle or not, but it does show our voices can be herd. i will keep calling about tuttle till i hear something for sure. if anyone knows anything please post. and i will post what ever i find. but everyone please take the time to call someone and voice your opinion on this, even if you don't use tuttle campground those of us who do are asking for your help. someday you may need our help keeping your families favorite place open lets all work together on this.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/19 22:41:02 (permalink)
     
    Amen to that, Papermounth.

    I read the same article about a week ago. But as I stated before after some research I found out this is a local issues from the Park Manager. Not Harrisburg. He is the one trying to close the park not the state. I guess he is trying to make his self look like A HERO. And save money at the expense of the campers that use the park. Sad. I will be calling again tomorrow
    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/19 22:42:09
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/20 14:28:40 (permalink)
    Called today, No meeting until next week.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/24 21:44:43 (permalink)
    Leave The Campground Open. I Drive all the way from york,Pa. To enjoy this camp ground every year. Its a tradition not a way of life... Leave it alone people...........
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/24 21:52:48 (permalink)
    Got Your Back WT.....Your Doing AN AWESOME THING......WE WORK HARD ALL YEAR LONG , JUST TO ENJOY TUTTLE. IVE INTRODUCED NEW PEOPLE FROM OUR AREA, AND BROUGHT THEM ALONG, AND THIS YEAR IM BRINGING ANOTHR NEW PERSON...NONE OF THESE PEOPLE NEVER KNEW A THING ABOUT TUTTLE, AND NOW EVERY YEAR THEY CANT WAIT TO RETURN....
     
                LEAVE TUTTLE OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/24 22:51:01 (permalink)
    Thank You CM
     
    But I am not the one to thank its all of the people out there that have read this post. We need everyone out there to call these people that I have listed on the site to try and stop the closing of the park. There is suppose to be a meeting this week. I can't stress enough this week starting Monday to call the park office and voice your opinion to the park Manager not to close the park. And call the Reps & Sen officials that I have listed and tell them to keep it open for all of Pennsylvanians. Call , Call , Call ,Call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Dcnr Director of parks ( The head Guy ) John Norbeck 717-787-6640
    Dcnr Acting Secretary ( Money Man ) John Quigley 717-772-9084
     
    State Representatives
     
    Robert Robbins- 724-588-1323 or 814-336-2760
    John R Evans - 814-734-2793
    Brad Roae - 814-336-1136
    Michele Brooks - 724- 588-8911
    Jamestown Park - 724-932-3141   Ask for Pete or Jason


     
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/26 18:48:23 (permalink)
    Looks like it is over ladies and gentlemen, This is the email I just got from the park office. I will be calling tommorrow and asking for sure. But I would say this is the end of tuttle camp ground.
     
     
    Due to reduced general fund allocations, DCNR is making operational changes to become more efficient, reduce redundancies in order to cut costs while continuing to provide quality customer service.  Due to these changes I must regretfully inform you that the Tuttle facilities at Pymatuning State Park are going to be closed. 
     
    The reservation program has identified you as having one or more reservations in the Tuttle Campground.  This closure will impact your reservation(s) for camping at Tuttle Campground, resulting in our request that you transfer to another campsite within the park or a different park.  If that is not feasible cancel your reservation.  You have the option to transfer the reservation to the Linesville or Jamestown Campground or another state park.  If you plan to camp with your pet, pet sites are available in Jamestown Campground in the 100 and 200 loops.  Pets are not permitted in Linesville Campground. 
     
    Therefore, if you would prefer to change your reservation because of this inconvenience please contact the PA State Parks central call center at 888-PA-PARKS (727-2757) and request a transfer to another time period or park by February 19, 2010.  You may also cancel your reservation.  You will not be charged the transfer or cancellation fee because of this specific situation.  When calling, please provide the customer service specialists with the approval code  to ensure no service fees are assessed.
     
    State Parks apologizes for this inconvenience and appreciate your understanding as DCNR and Pymatuning State Park are committed to providing safe and memorable experiences to our visitors.  If you have any questions about the closure, you may call the park office at 724-932-3142.
     
    David Sariano
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    post edited by walleye taker - 2010/01/26 18:49:41
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/27 20:55:20 (permalink)
    its a sad day i got the same message
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/28 18:35:43 (permalink)
    what ya gonna do wally? Jamestown or linesville?
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/28 19:42:42 (permalink)
    I am calling tomorrow , the Representatives had a meeting to day with the park Manager and his staff. I hope they can help but I have little faith . So with that said I will be staying at a private camp ground, or on the Ohio side camp ground. I will not give one more penny to the State as long as they have Management that will not listen or try and make cuts else where to keep the park from closing.

    I will still buy my Bait and goods local to help the store owners but will not give the parks any of my money. There are some really nice camp grounds that are privately owned. I have already talked to Meadow lake down buy orchard and Mallard down by linesville and have been looking at the Ohio side also. I fish the north end of the lake and always have so it will be around the north end some where.

    I will see what they have to say tomorrow, but don't look for any help in the matter. I know the Representatives want to keep the park open and are not happy about them closing it. But they can only do so much. They said if they do close it they want them to do some work and fix things up with some of the money they save by not opening the park, we will see.
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/29 12:30:40 (permalink)
    If it were up to me, the people running the state parks would take a major pay cut. I'm talking about the higherup people that make the big bucks!
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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/29 15:55:44 (permalink)
    i always liked jamestown.  it is sad, but being from ohio, i can camp cheaper in pa., even paying non-rez. fees than i can in ohio.  they priced themselves right out of the game.  there was a time when the ohio campground was full most of the summer, but with the reservation system, the raise in fees, the cutback in services, the only time it does get full is the fourth of july weekend.  i sure would hate to see that happen on the pa side. 

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    RE: Pymatuning Tuttle Camp Ground 2010/01/29 16:25:32 (permalink)
    Well , called today and tuttle camp is closed this year and also next year. So we are looking at a 2 year closing if not forever. We tried thats all we can do. I say thank you to everyone that stop in and took the time to read through the post and call. And to those of you that I see at the camp ground well maybe I will see you on the water this year. I will be at one of the private own camp grounds and no long at a State run one.
     
    Thank you and good fishing to all for 2010.
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