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2007/09/15 19:13:36 (permalink)

Salmon River Plans

Has anyone changed plans due to this low water issue?
I for one am out until some Gales and or Hurricanes pump up the volume.


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    saltflyfisher
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/15 19:48:46 (permalink)
    Not at all. I go up to relax and forget about the job as much as that is possible. Being self employed you don't get many days to forget. I've been going up the same 5 day period for yrs now.I'll be there from sept 27-oct 1. For me its fishing not catching, don't get me wrong a jerk on the other end is great too.
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    Has anyone changed plans due to this low water issue?
    I for one am out until some Gales and or Hurricanes pump up the volume.


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    salmotrutta
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/15 21:03:22 (permalink)
    I should mention I am planning on some new places to try out. Perhaps the mighty Niagra. There's always plenty of water there I hear... I'm not implying that noone else should go to the SR. I just want to stay away from the butchery I know is going to happen that comes with the low flows. Just my personal thing. Wondering how everyone else felt about it.

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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/15 21:54:45 (permalink)
    I canceled until they get some water.....the way it looks that might be next season!
    I'm with you Salmo,I don't want to see the ugly side that is going to happen.They are not going to hit once they get into that river and get chased around so many"fisherman" will resort to anything to get a bend on the rod.
    I know economically they can't close the whole river,but it would be the only humane thing to do.
    Like you,I'm going to find other places to get my fix!
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/17 11:27:52 (permalink)
    I'm slated to be up there Oct 18 to 21. Still holding hope that we will get some water by then. Doing Rain dances daily !!!
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/17 17:25:14 (permalink)
    Cancelled mine today was heading up on the 1st till the 5th.oh well guesss there is always next year.Ray

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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/17 17:34:47 (permalink)
    me and my son will be there sunday of this week 9/23 .driving all the from fl.we have 10 days planned.can't wait to get there and get out this damm heat.we will leave and go to vt my home state and try to get some late trout fishing as well as some small game hunting in.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/17 18:37:46 (permalink)
    We have everything paid and planed and still going 1 OCT till 6th whatever will be will be. Looking at some pictures from yesterday there are places to fish with the water low. Things will not be perfect but they seldom are.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/18 11:54:19 (permalink)
    I only make it to the SR once a season, so it really hurts to skip it.  I'm getting the impression here that it would be "inhumane" or "butchery" to fish at this low level.  With no disrespect intended, I pose these questions because I am a novice salmon fisherman with only 3 trips to the SR so far, and not to start a brouhaha.
    I understand these fish are going to die soon after entering the river, so really what is the difference what the water level is?  I guess it makes it easier for guys to pull the fish out, but I recall last year the levels were very high, and it was tough darts. So last year favored the fish, this year favors the fishermen, right?
    I'm not talking about snagging or lifting, but I'd hate to skip my trip because the fishing will be "too easy".  Am I off base here?  Thanks guys.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/18 13:40:03 (permalink)
    Seems alot of fishing going on fishermen that are having a good time with nice catches looking at other forums and pictures. As far as snagging and other things water flow will not change that. They need to fine the ones that are doing it. 750 last year and alot of the same things were going on. This is our 6th year and every year snagging and lifting has been going on everywhere we went including DSR. As far as a blood bath go up to the hatchery. After seeing how its done 2 years ago I have changed my opinion about the SR, its a put and take stream just like most trout streams in PA. NY wants everybody to come to the SR. We all go for a good time fishing and C and R don't like to eat SR salmon. As time goes on the hatchery will get it's amount of eggs for the year. Just my opinion after many hrs of observing.  
    post edited by PAtrout - 2007/09/18 13:41:20
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/18 20:51:38 (permalink)
    Went last weekend and landed a few.Going back Oct1-12.My biggest letdown is the upper fly zone,barely enough water to fish.I have been going there for a few years and rather see 6000 than 100.You have to be in a spot at 4am and don't leave it.Why do the guides get into the DSR early?Fished it for the first time last weekend and the last.You have to fish there in the spring to fully appriciate the river system,salmon smolts all over the place.Nat. reproduction does exist there.Have to go back 20-30 trips a year,I consider it therapy.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/19 08:18:46 (permalink)
    The problem with 100 cfs is that most of the water is too shallow for the fish to feel secure enough to stop and rest, so they bolt right through when they move.  This crowds them into small deeper slots and the pools, and the concentration then attracts the larger numbers of fishers, who then end up inching closer and closer, which spooks the fish so they are less likely to take.  Back when the first release of the week was Tuesday AM, and we had 125 cfs in the mornings, we had great salmon fishing where we could stay back from the fish and scale down the flies and tippets, but anywhere there was a crowd, there was little chance of a taker and a lot of lifted or snagged fish.  This is bad enough with the limited numbers of rods in DSR, but upriver it can become impossible. 
     
    While there is no appreciable rain in the forecast right now, one good Gulf storm coming up the Mississippi and then the Ohio and all of WNY could be drenched, and the inputs from Trout and Orwell after a storm like that could put you into slightly cloudy 250 to 500 cfs, which will be like being in heaven for a flyfisher. 
     
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    salmotrutta
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/19 09:33:52 (permalink)
    What they said...
    The low water allows fish to see you farther away. They also concentrate into the deeper holes and get crap thrown at them all day. Like most fish they don't tend to take anything once spooked unless you can get a territorial strike.
    I've read some recent reports on other boards as well. I see honest reports. Others that are either bogus, or the people were lifting/snagging/lineing- whatever you want to call it. Thats really unethical.
    I believe most here aren't into shooting fish in a barrel.

    I'm not knocking the SR by any means- I'm just not into that type of fishing. I have off next week and plan to fish around home instead. I have planned an outing with a friend Oct. 21-23 on the SR and will be there no matter what as we've hired Gottum to escort us down the River by Drift Boat (if there's enough water).


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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/19 15:46:24 (permalink)
    Hi im new to the board, but not to the sr been going for about 18 years straight. I was there in 2002 when the water was low my cousin actually walked accross the river under the rt 13 bridge. im wondering if anyone knows of a web site that shows a current picture of the river .
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/20 10:35:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: chanter

    Hi im new to the board, but not to the sr been going for about 18 years straight. I was there in 2002 when the water was low my cousin actually walked accross the river under the rt 13 bridge. im wondering if anyone knows of a web site that shows a current picture of the river .


    http://lakeontariooutdoors.com/latest-news/web-cam.html
    This Should Help- Trutta


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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/21 12:05:29 (permalink)
    I looked at that web cam site and have a question. Is below the bridge part of the LFZ ?? I didn't think it was. I have never fished there3 just looked. It looks like the cam is on the Altmar bridge. Is there no fishing in that area also. I see no fisherman and there used to be a long hole down the far side. There should still be 2 or 3 ft of water along that side. Just wondered why no fisherman there.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/21 18:48:44 (permalink)
    PA:
    no it's not part of LFZ
    the reason you are not seeing anyone is folks are fishing down low in the river, for good reason of course

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/21 20:51:41 (permalink)
    Well!!!
    I have definitely changed my plans to fish the SR, I was up there last weekend and witness a blood bath even though there was not very much fish,the few that were there got butcher. I saw this kid chase a fish after some one else had released it,the kid finally got to the fish and hook it no only one to three time until the fish could fight no more and he walked away with the fish...............................
    The next day i drove to Oswego and fished there for the rest of my trip, there were some kings there and were getting pounded too, I fished for Mr. Steelhead from the water fall down, but just caught a bunch of small mouth (water is to warm still) .
    Sooo.....would i go back to SR. hell no, not until they raise the the water at least to the fall level, I wont stop fishing though... you may find me at the catt,Genesee, even oswego river... when i fish i like to enjoy myself not get disgusted by witnessing was going on.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/22 07:12:47 (permalink)
    Bunnyleach-
    Bad Deal. Sportsman in training huh?Little ones chasing and butchering Salmon. Sad indeed.
    Just think- there's the next generation of snaggers coming up. Should have taken the fish and **** Slapped his dad with it while explaining the finer points of sportsmanship...
    Trutta

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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/22 22:17:20 (permalink)
     
    I should have done that LOL, just that he was fishing with his buddy. I said kid cause I'm no spring chicken anymore but he must have been in his late teen, I over heard him talking to other guys and he said that he learn everything from his dad,(figure that one out) so you hit the nail right in the head ST.
    Best of luck fishing.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/23 08:33:53 (permalink)
    BL,
     
    "Until they raise the water..."?   If they had it they'd release it.  You'll find similar low conditions almost anywhere you go.  At least at the SR you've got 10+ miles of low water, come to the Genny and find 1/2 mile.  I wait until it gets cooler and at least some of the salmon slashers are done, and then start looking for the chrome. Rain in the forecast for Thursday.
     
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/23 21:40:08 (permalink)
    Any sauce this yr?U and WB gonna head out for steel---I'd be honored to tip a few w/ the 2 of ya

    Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/24 17:27:44 (permalink)
    Sauce is a november thing. I got the habenero's  before the south of the thruway frost, so there'll be some, maybe not as complex.  I can't plan farther ahead then a couple of weeks with kids, so it depends on weather and work and school schedules, but if we hit town, you'll hear about some tall lanky dude catching all the fish in whatever part of the river he's in!
     
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/24 20:09:16 (permalink)
    And Shooting Fireballs out of his**** 

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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/25 04:24:19 (permalink)
    Tall he may still be but lanky is history. Look for the giant Michilan Man waddling around muttering about how trails keep getting longer and hills steeper as the years pass by!
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/25 20:45:34 (permalink)
    I am going up the week of Oct 15th any word on when or if they are going to raise the water level
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/25 20:55:16 (permalink)
    I heard they were dropping it to 60 cfs.......not good news

    I have the right to remain silent.....I just don't have the ability
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/26 06:54:55 (permalink)
    So NOT true!  The water level will not change - go up or down - in the near future.  The Rumors are just that rumors...
     

    In Life We All Have Choices. I Choose to Fish!

    Fish Off...
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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/09/26 20:04:21 (permalink)
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    I am going up the week of Oct 15th any word on when or if they are going to raise the water level


    They cannot raise it until there is rain. They don't release for the fish, but for making electricity. At the moment they don't have enough reserve to raise it for either of the above.

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    RE: Salmon River Plans 2007/10/08 19:30:41 (permalink)
    I just got back from the river with daily 100CFS.  I fished up and down.  The only unreal action I/we had was at Douglaston Run.  The only trouble we had was carrying the fish up the stairs.  Action from first thing in the morning till 10:00am not much until 2:00pm then it went nuts!!! until we went home and only because we were beat.  I have never seen the river so low (kinda scary).  By the way the reservoir got worked on and was drained down a little in the summer.  Between the res being drained and the no rain all summer the siren goes off but nothing happens.
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