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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 18:43:56
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You say you have fished all these other places for steelhead. Fine, I think that is great. One day I want to go out west. The wife and I both want to hit up BC someday. She could shop while I swing. Anyways.... None of these places have the amount of steelhead per acre than PA. Your post really makes you appear desperate. A man as well traveled as yourself should not need to worry about where the mother load is. I cant tell you exactly for sure where the mother load is. But I for sure can tell you where it isnt. It isnt behind your desk or on your computer. My advice is to get out from behind there and go out and find it. If you dont find it, well, at least you didnt spend the day behind your desk. What do you need to find the mother load for anyway?
Great post.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 18:50:05
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I think the motherlode is in the stream. I think conditions have been such that they've been running virtually every night in smaller pods instead of a few massive runs. The fish are spread out throughout the stream, and so with a few exceptions we are fishing over these smaller groups rather than the hundreds (or thousands) of past years.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:04:52
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ErY SUkS FAsE IT DuuD STeKHED Ar SMaL to EEzy BUtt THIs YEER IS DIfRenT yu wiLL see hOl  muNch
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:06:55
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You say you have fished all these other places for steelhead. Fine, I think that is great. One day I want to go out west. The wife and I both want to hit up BC someday. She could shop while I swing. Anyways.... None of these places have the amount of steelhead per acre than PA.  Your post really makes you appear desperate. A man as well traveled as yourself should not need to worry about where the mother load is. I cant tell you exactly for sure where the mother load is. But I for sure can tell you where it isnt. It isnt behind your desk or on your computer. My advice is to get out from behind there and go out and find it. If you dont find it, well, at least you didnt spend the day behind your desk. What do you need to find the mother load for anyway?
Great post.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:28:26
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You guys can't be serious. The fish are ( have been ) there in the lower, and middle stretches, and more wil come. I can't say they are in "good" numbers in the upper stretches, but I haven't fish them that hard, or in good visibility. I have found a few though. This same conversation occurs every year, and every year the fish show up. One thing to consider, is that a couple of the rains after the fish started to show up coincided with a major cold front. The water temps dropped over 10 degrees in just a day, or two, and probable limited the amount of fish movement.
I'm not sure whether folks can't see them, don't know where to look, or they're just not catching them. If it's the latter, I can somewhat understand. There have been some very serious "tough bite" days this year, and my catch rate is way down. It has nothing to do with low fish numbers though. In fact too many fish has been a problem at times. when they're stacked that tight, it's hard to present a bait to one group, without spooking another groups, and turning off the fish you are targeting.
Other than that, they have just been tough for me this year. I think the PF&BC has been using stamp money to improve the quality of their schools ( pun intended ), and they're better educated
You just dont get it chuck. there are plenty of fish way up the Elk. I saw them and caught some. I am talking about the lower river there just isnt a BIG bunch of fish there now. And there hasnt been a lot of fish in lower Elk for a week or so. The last 2 high water events did not bring in a bunch of fish. Looking at the high water at Elk yesterday, there should be a load of new fish by tomorrow or tonight. If they dont come after this flood, my concern will only grow. Fish runs do crash. Dont go thinking these fish are exempt from such an event. I certainly do not have all the answers nor do I consider myself a steelhead god. But I have fished for them for 35 years in Alaska, BC, Washington, Michigan, Ohio and PA. How can anyone equate this to how high up are the fish?? For those of us who have spent considerable time on the river this October knows there appears to be a year class missing and a distinct lack of numbers opposed to past years. I also do not want to be an alarmist but the fact remains Where is the Mother Lode?? As I type this it could all be happening now. I am my desk in Michigan. Either these fish are late or they aint coming.
You say you have fished all these other places for steelhead. Fine, I think that is great. One day I want to go out west. The wife and I both want to hit up BC someday. She could shop while I swing. Anyways.... None of these places have the amount of steelhead per acre than PA. Your post really makes you appear desperate. A man as well traveled as yourself should not need to worry about where the mother load is. I cant tell you exactly for sure where the mother load is. But I for sure can tell you where it isnt. It isnt behind your desk or on your computer. My advice is to get out from behind there and go out and find it. If you dont find it, well, at least you didnt spend the day behind your desk. What do you need to find the mother load for anyway?
Desperate?? Hardly. Just wondering. I have to work sometime, so I am working for a few days. I generaly fish for steel every week for 2 or 3 days. In regard to your statement about fish per acre, well dont bet on that as of right now. It appears you have not fished in the wild rivers in remote Alaska. Well I have. I lived in Alaska for ten years. Have had more than my share of spooky float plane rides on Kodiak and SE Alaska in the fall months. Check out the Karluk on Kodiak where the steelhead stack in about 10 miles of water. Or fish the headwaters where they pool up in a 1/8 mile stretch along with silvers and sockeye by the thousands in the company of 20 brown bears. Why do I want to find the mother lode? For fun! My 411 on the Elk told me today they did not show up this afternoon as the waters drop. Maybe tomorrow. If this run crashes, I wonder how loud you will compain? The only thing I am saying is they are late and if they dont come soon, maybe they aint coming. Then you can go up high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. To each his own.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:34:33
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its more than obvious there is fewer fish this year.
dont believe me? walk up walnut from basin to rt 5, you wont have any questions.
if you have only been coming to erie for the last 5 years, you will think its plenty.
which it is.
compared to the last 15 years, its the lowest I've ever seen.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:41:40
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Humm, could it be the tanic acid from the leaves has the fish just a little off and not that many new fish running??????? If the next couple good rains in the next few weeks don't bring 'em, then there may be some legitimate concern. Green water is just around the corner. There's plenty of fish in most the streams although there doesn't appear to be loads of chromers recently. September was bone dry with the only significant rain at months end and not much water until relatively recently and a massive leaf drop to boot. Definitely more fish were around earlier years past. Today was enjoyable as the motherload was not around and the bite was definitely off. A couple weeks ago it was on. A couple weeks from now it likely will also be. Just a matter of perspective. Chucker
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 19:43:20
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ORIGINAL: steelheadfillet
its more than obvious there is fewer fish this year.
dont believe me? walk up walnut from basin to rt 5, you wont have any questions.
if you have only been coming to erie for the last 5 years, you will think its plenty.
which it is.
compared to the last 15 years, its the lowest I've ever seen.
That is all I was sayin....It seems to me that a few guys in this thread are suffering from the syndrome called LOFS. Lack of fish syndrome! haha
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 20:10:00
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Each year for the past 3 years, I've fished the tribs the last week or two of October. Somewhere between the 20th and 30th.
Each year for the past 3 years, I've fished the tribs right before or after Thanksgiving. Somewhere between the 15th and 25th.
Absolutely NO COMPARISON in the number of fish and the consistency of the action that those 2 1/2 to 3 weeks have made.
I was in Erie last weekend. Plenty of fish in the creeks I fished. Very similar to the past 3 years. Not mid-late November numbers or action. But then again, it's not mid-late November. Yet.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 20:30:01
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I agree rsquared. My experiance last year was that I fished middle and upper Elk in the last week of October, I then went back in the 2'nd week of November. There was absolutely no comparison, easily 3x as many fish with just that 2 - 3 weeks difference. It's only Nov. 1'st give it time boys. They might not like all this acid in the water from the leaves or something.
Jim, I was just up to Elk today and there is no way your 411 could have been worth anything, because you definitely couldn't see the fish very good in middle elk. The water height and flow were good for fishing in the evening, but it was really dark tea colored definitely couldn't see into anything very deep at all.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:06:19
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rsquared ,
exactly , just like i said wait atleast until vterans day or after , kinda like the guys on other fly fishing websites saying " the brown trout are not spawning in my area yet" and these posts are written the middle of oct. everyone is all alarmed thinking the brown trout quit spawning this year like the government gave them all sterlization shots with left over stimulus money , most people know the browns usually spawn mid nov and into dec.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:15:27
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my 411 just said there was not a bunch of new chrome at the access....
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:31:27
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UHMM, Because they kept swimming on upstream. Fish will do that sometimes
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:33:42
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By the way. I was AT the access last week, not on the phone with my 411. There were plenty of fish, fresh, and older.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:42:49
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StealheadJim... This isn,t Alaska!lol
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:57:35
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By the way. I was AT the access last week, not on the phone with my 411. There were plenty of fish, fresh, and older.
like you said, last week. that was after 2 or at least 1 high water event. the guy is talking about today. after last weeks 1st high water event,3 days went by without a replenishing run of fresh fish. its not rocket science. read before you type. please
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 21:59:17
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my 411 just said there was not a bunch of new chrome at the access....
he was correct. In fact, I did'nt see a fish hooked in the 2 hours I fished.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:04:14
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I was responding to THIS statement. ." I am talking about the lower river there just isnt a BIG bunch of fish there now. And there hasnt been a lot of fish in lower Elk for a week or so." Take your own advice 
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:06:01
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"I did'nt see a fish hooked in the 2 hours I fished."
So of course, there must not be any there.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:09:41
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ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
ORIGINAL: swinger
ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
ORIGINAL: spoonchucker
You guys can't be serious. The fish are ( have been ) there in the lower, and middle stretches, and more wil come. I can't say they are in "good" numbers in the upper stretches, but I haven't fish them that hard, or in good visibility. I have found a few though. This same conversation occurs every year, and every year the fish show up. One thing to consider, is that a couple of the rains after the fish started to show up coincided with a major cold front. The water temps dropped over 10 degrees in just a day, or two, and probable limited the amount of fish movement.
I'm not sure whether folks can't see them, don't know where to look, or they're just not catching them. If it's the latter, I can somewhat understand. There have been some very serious "tough bite" days this year, and my catch rate is way down. It has nothing to do with low fish numbers though. In fact too many fish has been a problem at times. when they're stacked that tight, it's hard to present a bait to one group, without spooking another groups, and turning off the fish you are targeting.
Other than that, they have just been tough for me this year. I think the PF&BC has been using stamp money to improve the quality of their schools ( pun intended ), and they're better educated
You just dont get it chuck. there are plenty of fish way up the Elk. I saw them and caught some. I am talking about the lower river there just isnt a BIG bunch of fish there now. And there hasnt been a lot of fish in lower Elk for a week or so. The last 2 high water events did not bring in a bunch of fish. Looking at the high water at Elk yesterday, there should be a load of new fish by tomorrow or tonight. If they dont come after this flood, my concern will only grow. Fish runs do crash. Dont go thinking these fish are exempt from such an event. I certainly do not have all the answers nor do I consider myself a steelhead god. But I have fished for them for 35 years in Alaska, BC, Washington, Michigan, Ohio and PA. How can anyone equate this to how high up are the fish?? For those of us who have spent considerable time on the river this October knows there appears to be a year class missing and a distinct lack of numbers opposed to past years. I also do not want to be an alarmist but the fact remains Where is the Mother Lode?? As I type this it could all be happening now. I am my desk in Michigan. Either these fish are late or they aint coming.
You say you have fished all these other places for steelhead. Fine, I think that is great. One day I want to go out west. The wife and I both want to hit up BC someday. She could shop while I swing. Anyways.... None of these places have the amount of steelhead per acre than PA. Your post really makes you appear desperate. A man as well traveled as yourself should not need to worry about where the mother load is. I cant tell you exactly for sure where the mother load is. But I for sure can tell you where it isnt. It isnt behind your desk or on your computer. My advice is to get out from behind there and go out and find it. If you dont find it, well, at least you didnt spend the day behind your desk. What do you need to find the mother load for anyway?
Desperate?? Hardly. Just wondering. I have to work sometime, so I am working for a few days. I generaly fish for steel every week for 2 or 3 days. In regard to your statement about fish per acre, well dont bet on that as of right now. It appears you have not fished in the wild rivers in remote Alaska. Well I have. I lived in Alaska for ten years. Have had more than my share of spooky float plane rides on Kodiak and SE Alaska in the fall months. Check out the Karluk on Kodiak where the steelhead stack in about 10 miles of water. Or fish the headwaters where they pool up in a 1/8 mile stretch along with silvers and sockeye by the thousands in the company of 20 brown bears. Why do I want to find the mother lode? For fun! My 411 on the Elk told me today they did not show up this afternoon as the waters drop. Maybe tomorrow. If this run crashes, I wonder how loud you will compain? The only thing I am saying is they are late and if they dont come soon, maybe they aint coming. Then you can go up high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. To each his own.
I hope they dont come. I hope only a few come a year. That will thin the crowds. That will get rid of fish in a barrel fishers like yourself. You are sadly mistaken about me going high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. That will never happen. Way to much pride to do something like that. Hope your 411 keeps you with up to the minute info. Maybe somebody will be able to put you exactly on the spot you are looking to be on. Sounds to me like you are not able to find that spot on your own. So hope you get spoonfed what you like. You are really kind of funny. You are throwing out stupid information to get people all riled up. Love it. I like this game.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:13:40
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None surfaced, 20-30 guys fishing various methods.
what do think? I know. spoonchuker could catch them. Hes the self named master of internet fishing forums erie steelhead.
come on buddy, I think you need your voice heard and this forum is the only place that lets you.
the mergansers ate your precious steelhead and you cant accept it.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:16:56
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Forget the mother lode, did anyone else realize who has resurfaced here? YG welcome back, I missed your posts man.
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:20:25
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ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
My 411 on the Elk told me today they did not show up this afternoon as the waters drop. Maybe tomorrow. If this run crashes, I wonder how loud you will compain? The only thing I am saying is they are late and if they dont come soon, maybe they aint coming. Then you can go up high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. To each his own.
do some homework... one idiot on the phone with another idiot does not the truth make what is the "run"? where are they running? 1/16 of a mile to the Elk acess? how will the steelbow population crash??? there are close to 2million fish stocked a year...
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:22:59
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ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
My 411 on the Elk told me today they did not show up this afternoon as the waters drop. Maybe tomorrow. If this run crashes, I wonder how loud you will compain? The only thing I am saying is they are late and if they dont come soon, maybe they aint coming. Then you can go up high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. To each his own.
do some homework...
one idiot on the phone with another idiot does not the truth make
what is the "run"?
where are they running? 1/16 of a mile to the Elk acess?
how will the steelbow population crash???
there are close to 2million fish stocked a year...
this is how. 
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:40:34
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ORIGINAL: steelheadfillet
ORIGINAL: KJH807
ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
My 411 on the Elk told me today they did not show up this afternoon as the waters drop. Maybe tomorrow. If this run crashes, I wonder how loud you will compain? The only thing I am saying is they are late and if they dont come soon, maybe they aint coming. Then you can go up high, sight fish and swing flies in a foot of water. To each his own.
do some homework...
one idiot on the phone with another idiot does not the truth make
what is the "run"?
where are they running? 1/16 of a mile to the Elk acess?
how will the steelbow population crash???
there are close to 2million fish stocked a year...
this is how.
Along with pinners doing this. The end is near. 
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:42:16
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oh yes they will be mine... 
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:43:23
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:44:21
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Lets see...in the 1980's Michigans DNR planted 10 million kings....they didnt come back. Run crashed duh....
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:44:50
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RE: Where is the MOTHER LODE?
2009/11/01 22:48:42
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ORIGINAL: SteelheadJim
Lets see...in the 1980's Michigans DNR planted 10 million kings....they didnt come back. Run crashed duh....
talked to a guy at elk last year. he said he was a fishery biologist from michigan. would that be you steelhead jim?
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