Apple juice

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2009/10/12 08:12:42 (permalink)

Apple juice

Any one ever try it in a scrape dripper ?
With there being very few apples here this year, I was wondering if you filled up a scrape dripper with apple juice and hung it in an apple tree would the processed juice bring in a deer ?
 
 

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    Dr. Trout
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 08:25:34 (permalink)
    Apple juice will definitely cause deer to come and investigate the smell, but of course you could not hunt there  using apple juice as mentioned above .. it would be baiting... and the area would be an active baiting site..
     
    I have use it on my clothes in the past while archery hunting as a cover scent, it was actually cheaper than the bottled apple cover scents... and most times the smell was stronger and lasted much longer..
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 08:51:38 (permalink)
    say he's burning apple juice as a cover scent because he doesn't want to get sticky... is it still baiting?
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 09:00:49 (permalink)
    Would that really be considered baiting Doc ??
     
    How about in a spray mist bottle and just cover the tree with the spray..
    Just wondering how much juice it takes to make it baiting..
    The dripper full or the residue on the ground ?
     
    If you spray it on yourself it is still apple juice and you wouldn't be able to hunt within 150 yrds of yourself.

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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 10:25:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: bingsbaits



    If you spray it on yourself it is still apple juice and you wouldn't be able to hunt within 150 yrds of yourself.



    technically... there would be a residue on you... that's baiting
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 13:16:15 (permalink)
    ALL I can relay here is what I have been told or what I was told is the answer to questions I have asked of the PGC or questions folks on my message board have asked over the past 8 years of doing this kind of stuff... if you do not like the answers that is up to you..

    BAITING is one of the argument I myself have had with PGC folks.. too much of it is up to the individual WCO or person defining the law...

    personally I wish they would just make baiting legal state wide and be done with it... too many horror stories about WCOs saying what they consider baiting..

    Here's what I have been told by the three local ones.. this is their definition basically...

    If it is growing or is natural to the area you are hunting its not baiting...  ie. oak trees and acorns, apples trees and apples that fall from THAT tree... corn fields and other crop type field, food plots..

    salt blocks or lose salt ... not natural ... it's baiting if salt or residue is not cleaned-up and you hunt near it.. a stump soak with salt from a salt block there most of the summer..baiting if you hunt near it..

    corn.. same thing.. empty cobs...  that's a split ==  two say no .. one says yes.. it's residue and still attracts deer... the others say it does not attract deer...



    minerals and those deer foods you spread on the ground and the deer love it so much they even eat the ground and leave a giant hole..   .. baiting if the deer are still coming there ...so as I said baiting laws are pretty much up to the WCO is some cases...




    scents...  if it is on the person and being used to mask the human smell.. not baiting... spraying it on a tree or in the air ... baiting...

    those deer attractants.. pees, estrus, urine etc.. they are legal..

    now you tell me what's the difference==  if I drag a rag soaked with apple juice or deer pee as I walk into the woods... pee = legal  apple juice=baiting ?????????????? 

    Here's a funny story...

    archery season....

    I have out a deer decoy soak in estrus (attractant) = legal

    I climb an apple tree to watch decoy... legal

    I knock down some apples as I climb ...legal

    I have a few plastic apples (wax)with me  and put them on the ground == nope Baiting..

    a bring a few apples from home == Baiting

    while in my stand I eat an apple hanging close by (legal) and throw the core on the ground ==baiting


    the best thing to do in my opinion is talk to your local WCO or the one for where you will be hunting if you are worried about being cited for hunting over a baited area....

    and I would suggest knowing the area around where you are set up, standing or posting to be sure someone else has not baited the area... not knowing there was bait there will NOT get you out of a citation in most cases..


    As for how far away you must be... forget it...
     
    every PGC person I have talk to has a different answer to that one 
     
     
     
    so that's my take on baiting ..

    and call it or me what you want ... but I can't wait to get it solved once and for all ... by making baiting legal state wide.
    post edited by Dr. Trout - 2009/10/12 13:18:37
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 17:29:14 (permalink)
    Or illegal state wide, with no food source based cover scents.

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 18:10:58 (permalink)
    one time I decided I would cut an apple in half and rub it all over my pants and boots.  I crush it up and spread it all over myself grinding it into my pants and boots.  After about 1/2 hour in my stand I was covered with those nasty little yellow jackets and had to leave. 
    Geesh, that was dumb.

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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 18:22:08 (permalink)
    Or illegal state wide, with no food source based cover scents.


    I agree, but unfortunately our 'easy way out' society is headed down that path.  My guess is 2011 or 2012 season baiting will be legal statewide.

    Let me edit that statement.  Statewide for deer, not bears...where it would actually make sense, IMO.
    post edited by Claypool313 - 2009/10/12 18:23:42
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 18:48:11 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

    If you spray it on yourself it is still apple juice and you wouldn't be able to hunt within 150 yrds of yourself.

     
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 18:55:58 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

    scents...  if it is on the person and being used to mask the human smell.. not baiting... spraying it on a tree or in the air ... baiting...

    those deer attractants.. pees, estrus, urine etc.. they are legal..


     
    What about the Curiosity scents that you spray on a branch??? Like Vanilla and others...They are legal??? But they are also an attractant...????  I have the DOC's Version and it smells like Vanilla....



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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/12 20:11:48 (permalink)
    How about if I douse myself in c'mere deer to cover my scent? This is just another example of a poorly written statute.

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 07:51:57 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Claypool313

    Or illegal state wide, with no food source based cover scents.


    I agree, but unfortunately our 'easy way out' society is headed down that path.  My guess is 2011 or 2012 season baiting will be legal statewide.

    Let me edit that statement.  Statewide for deer, not bears...where it would actually make sense, IMO.


     
     
    That's why it's so important to keep legislators out of wildlife management.  Except of course, when it's something YOU want, then its ok. 

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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 13:08:52 (permalink)
    I actually put on a suit that makes me look like a giant apple. I spray apple scent all over it, then put it on and just go sit under an apple tree. Is that legal?
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 13:55:44 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: DanesDad

    I actually put on a suit that makes me look like a giant apple. I spray apple scent all over it, then put it on and just go sit under an apple tree. Is that legal?


    Lmao nice.


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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 14:58:48 (permalink)
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    one time I decided I would cut an apple in half and rub it all over my pants and boots.  I crush it up and spread it all over myself grinding it into my pants and boots.  After about 1/2 hour in my stand I was covered with those nasty little yellow jackets and had to leave. 
    Geesh, that was dumb.

     
    I kinda did the same thing in  college.  Cut up apples, put them inside the big plastic bags with my clothes a week before the season started and put them under my dorm bed.  Time comes to use them, I open the bag and this black cloud of fruit flies escapes.  They were everywhere those little buggers were and for weeks.........dumb dumb dumb. 
     
     
     
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 19:38:44 (permalink)
    Musky..  FYI...
     
    I asked about "c'mere deer" ...
     
    It is not legal to use in Pa.. It was designed and marketed as an attractant not a cover scent...
     
     
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 19:55:08 (permalink)
    It's kinda funny in a sad way.
    Was into Chinamart today and saw 1 fella with a feeder in one hand and a gallon of DeerCane in the other..
    One other fella was putting a bag of acorn rage in his cart...
    I'm suprised the PGC doesn't try and lobby them to stop selling these products during season...

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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/13 23:15:51 (permalink)
    I know about the Cmere deer Doc, checked on it when it first came out.

    Bing the only thing I can think is that WVA archery opens saturday and bait is legal there....

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: Apple juice 2009/10/14 10:30:47 (permalink)
    I am still selling field corn (2 bushel bags) and 50# salt blocks every week-end... ??
     
    Guys say they are "putting it out" because they will not be hunting there until rifle season and that's still barely over 30 days away..  go figure !!!!
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