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2009/08/14 22:47:44 (permalink)

Switch rods

I don't really fish any big water(yet...Ohio/NY) do any of you fish Erie and it's smaller water with switch rods? Do you think it provides you an advantage over say a 9-10' rod?

If so how are you fishing the water... swinging big streamers/spey flies?
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    indsguiz
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 22:59:23 (permalink)
    There is really not a huge advantage to going much over 10 feet.  I have an 11 foot rod but it is way long for anything but the lower ends.  I prefer 9.9'6" rods for the majority of my fishing.  But for the "One FLy" I may have to use a 12' just to be able to fish over everyone else.

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 23:04:06 (permalink)
    You can stand at the top of Manchester rd and fish over the back of the duuds at the stop sign hole.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 23:04:38 (permalink)
    Make sure you bring your massive salt water net if you do.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 23:08:18 (permalink)
    I have an 11' switch and I plan to try it out in Erie and a few New York trips this year. I think it might be too big for most of the places I fish on the Erie tribs. I do use it on bigger waters near my house for smallmouth. Mainly swingin big stuff.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 23:13:03 (permalink)
    Yeah I'm thinking more for NY but was wondering if I could get any more use out of it in Erie later on in the season when the crowds thin. This is kind of a new area of fly fishing to me.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/14 23:20:10 (permalink)
    I think with the less people over the colder parts of the season you will. I do alot of swingin with my normal steelhead rod, the switch will make it easier. It's hard to really swing alot in the early season due to all the people. I also think that my switch would be too heavy to try high stick nymphing all day. Definately be able to cover alot of water, if the space is available. It will definately be a fun season due to the fact that I have a few new toys to try out.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 00:16:23 (permalink)
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 00:16:30 (permalink)
    pxatim,

    I would highly recommend a switch rod. Most are 11'-11'6, and to be honest, does an extra foot really matter THAT much when it comes to crowds??? No. Guys will still stand in your pocket with an 8' spinning rod or 15' float rod. Does it matter THAT much when it comes to fishing on the upper parts of Erie streams? No. It's 12"-18" more than a 10' rod, which is one of the most popular lengths for diehard steelheaders. About 9" being in the extended butt/lower grip that extends the butt section, not the tip!!!!!

    Personally, there aren't any Erie streams I found where you NEED a switch rod over a single hander. But the little extra length does help you with line management and allows you to cast with less effort. Both positives in my book.

    Also, again in my opinion, Erie doesn't have many great swinging opportunities. It's not like the Oswego River and Salmon Rivers in NY where you are employing the technique to cover lots of water and find active fish. Cast, Swing, Step, Cast, Swing, Step.

    I have only found a few places where I could truly enjoy swinging a fly in Erie, and they have been on Elk Creek. Swift, shallow, gravel riffles tapering into a moderately flowing pool about waist deep, and then into a beautiful, wide tailout with a few seams and cuts where fish lay after coming upstream and into the hole. I love these types of runs because the fish are top to bottom, spread out, and you have active fish throughout the stretch. Giving you a reason to employ the traditional method in a searching technique. Unfortunately there are usually 10 guys in the run, which cuts into your program :)

    Techniques? Switch rods are killer rods for nymphing Erie and any small steelhead streams. The little extra length helps. And if you do find a nice hole to swing flies, you can easily change up and have at her.

    The most effective swinging flies I have used on Erie streams are quite small compared to their Ontario cousins. Size 6's at the biggest, 8's and 10's being most effective. Surprisingly, dirty yellow has always been my best color when fishing traditional speys and dees.

    I don't think you will regret the choice of buying one. I would recommend the Vision G4 11'6" 6wt over anything else that I have used. Beulah rods would be second. And if you don't want a premium rod, TFO's aren't bad for the money. The 6wt, and even 7, doubles nicely as a great bass and trout rod too! I use mine year round.

    ---> Nice Switch Rod Brown


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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 00:20:43 (permalink)
    fisherboy, fisherboy,   you you had had a a double doiuble post post there there! !

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 00:35:26 (permalink)
    dude...

    the susky is your backyard
    dont halfass it 2hander

    also
    if you nymph with a 2hander... you should be donkey-punched
    or just start pinning
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 08:25:39 (permalink)
    True... only thing is it's rained almost every single week since June. Rivers never been this high... I waded it quite a bit last year in the summer when it was low and it's a tough wade even then. I'd only do it in the summer cause it doens't matter if you go under in shorts and sneakers. I've gone into the drink everytime I've waded it... slippery, fast, and goes from knee to chest deep in a couple steps.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 20:48:03 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: KJH807


    also
    if you nymph with a 2hander... you should be donkey-punched
    or just start pinning


    Guess I better hit the gym more if I need to defend myself while fishing this year ??? Been using centerpins and float fishing for 11 years now. I find it hard to see the relevance between nymph fishing with a fly rod and float fishing with a centerpin.

    pxatim, What part of the Susquehanna are you on?



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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 21:02:05 (permalink)
    Right in Harrisburg... right by the Rockville Bridge. Wade up past the statue of liberty alot when the water is "low" but it hasn't been low enough to get our on. All the bass guides are pumped because this is the first time in years they can run trips all summer and not be limited to small stretches of water.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 22:38:36 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Fisherboy86


    ... Been using centerpins and float fishing for 11 years now....





    i think i just vomited a little in my mouth
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/15 23:07:21 (permalink)
    tim,
     
    video with one handed spey technique:
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsPg45iNd_U
     
     
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    "Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler."

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 11:51:48 (permalink)
    Switch rods are awesome! I built a real nice St Croix switch for myself this year and absolutely love it, I made a removeable fighting butt ferrule system on it too so I can truly "switch" rods. They are seriously a good tool to get it done.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 17:31:11 (permalink)
    Trib mouths and the lake are good places for a switch rod,too:)

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 19:44:18 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: KJH807


    ORIGINAL: Fisherboy86


    ... Been using centerpins and float fishing for 11 years now....





    i think i just vomited a little in my mouth

     
     
    I know for fact that I did vomit in my mouth.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 20:39:20 (permalink)
    ripping on center pinners is for cranky middle aged men who are yesterday's news and can't quite accept it... fills the void

    "Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler."

    -Art Lee
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 21:38:34 (permalink)
    middle aged???? hardly

    do your homework, sport....
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/16 23:10:37 (permalink)
    late twenties, early thirties, mid twenties... who cares
     
    the pin bashing is juvenile, little buddy.
     
     

    "Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler."

    -Art Lee
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 10:55:40 (permalink)
    take your redd raping, egg slitting, click counter BS somewhere else

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 12:38:03 (permalink)
    OK, for real, what is the deal with the pin-haters? It is just another case of "you-dont-fish-like-me-so-you-MUST-suck-at-life", or is there actually any sort of substance to it? I've seen alot of it over the past 6-8 months or so, and it seems like its just another avenue of derision for the fly snobs. Unless there's something inherent to the pin method that I'm missing...it just seems like a case of the insecurities to me.

    But before I make an uninformed decision, please, pin-haters, inform me.
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 13:30:34 (permalink)
    most pin haters fall short in other significant areas in life... like the bedroom for example. 
     
     
     

    "Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler."

    -Art Lee
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 13:42:24 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jimhalupka

    most pin haters fall short in other significant areas in life... like the bedroom for example. 





    for as much post as you smoke.... i expected something a bit more creative
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 13:44:38 (permalink)
    I am organizing a fly fishing vs pinning tournament to put this all to rest.  Who would be interested?
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 14:33:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Loomis

    I am organizing a fly fishing vs pinning tournament to put this all to rest.  Who would be interested?

     
    Do style points count?  I ask because I'm a stylish motherf%&*#er.
     
     
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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 14:46:13 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: D-nymph

    ORIGINAL: Loomis

    I am organizing a fly fishing vs pinning tournament to put this all to rest.  Who would be interested?


    Do style points count?  I ask because I'm a stylish motherf%&*#er.





    Will you be the guy in the pink waders?

    On another note. Honestly, why would anyone use a click counter?

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    RE: Switch rods 2009/08/17 14:53:16 (permalink)
    never passed 3rd grade?
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