jimhalupka 
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stockies in wild water
While throwing dries at a wild reproduction run today at a fair distance away from its confluence with an approved trout water, I about **** myself when a trout over 12 inches smacked my fly. I was thinking, righteous, finally a wild/native over 10 inches until I got him into hand and realized it was a stocked rainbow about 14 inches. The last time I was here I caught numerous brooks from the same pool. As I approached the hole with no more rises after the release, I saw no natives skatter... which is very unusual.
SOO.. in your opinion, should I have roped this stocker and got him out of the competition or released him like i did?
also, this was not the only stocked fish I saw.
"Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler." -Art Lee
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 01:04:20
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It ate the natives you should have killed it...... 
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 02:25:25
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Jim,
Have to agree with M.M.! If you are fishing a stream and you find disproportionally large fish in it; Esp stocked fish, then they should be removed from the creek. The one little Natural stream I used to fish had numerous 4-6" brookies till some guy put up a "hunting" camp upstream and decided that the creek needed some 14" browns.
I caught and kept every brown trout I was allowed off that creek.
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KJH807
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 06:47:12
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what should you have done? and what would have been legal?
depends on who stocked it...private, club, or, PFBC
depends on the water.... on the PFBC "list"
its a personal choice
i know what i would have done....
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 06:54:02
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 07:15:19
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If that was at the second place you guys stopped, either course of action would be appropriate. That bow probably wasnt the best thing for the area, but by the same token, there's no shortage of stockies in the stream below, and they can head up there anytime they want, yet most choose to stay down below. Its really not that big of a trip for a rainbow, and it wouldnt surprise me if that same fish was back in the stocked water within 24 hours.
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 08:42:11
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found out that in va. around the mountains if a fishermen catch brown trout in a native brook stream they are to stick'm and kille'm no matter the size.
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 09:55:19
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LOL....It's only okay to kill an invasive fish if it's a trout...lol.....I see how it is..... Can't kill a goby on lake erie, but you can kill a trout in a native stream....???? 
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:03:03
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 The sad part is...you were the fastest sperm...
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:18:21
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ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK
LOL....It's only okay to kill an invasive fish if it's a trout...lol.....I see how it is.....
Can't kill a goby on lake erie, but you can kill a trout in a native stream....????
What are you talking about?
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:24:14
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ORIGINAL: D-nymph
ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK
LOL....It's only okay to kill an invasive fish if it's a trout...lol.....I see how it is.....
Can't kill a goby on lake erie, but you can kill a trout in a native stream....????
What are you talking about?
I was getting ridiculed for smashing gobies of the back of my boat cause they are invasive and bad for the Lake Erie fishery... Now when you guys talk about your precious native streams, it's okay to kill invasive trout.. That's all I am sayin
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:24:58
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ORIGINAL: Cold
The sad part is...you were the fastest sperm...
What are you talking about???
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:26:20
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ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK
I was getting ridiculed for smashing gobies of the back of my boat cause they are invasive and bad for the Lake Erie fishery...
you were? when? Smash away on the gobies, IMO.
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:29:04
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:31:51
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ORIGINAL: D-nymph
ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK
I was getting ridiculed for smashing gobies of the back of my boat cause they are invasive and bad for the Lake Erie fishery...
you were? when?
Smash away on the gobies, IMO.
In the goathead thread a couple of weeks ago.....
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:32:31
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ORIGINAL: harrypelles
Here we go again...
Just proving hypocricy....that's all....
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:35:06
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just an observation.... i really don't think people are ever arguing with your ideas... moreso, its just they don't like you personally
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jimhalupka
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:36:26
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Where's the waaahhhhh Dnymph?
"Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets downstream, mend and wait out each fly swing, over and over again, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates the angler to the role, not of nemesis as it should be, but of butler." -Art Lee
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:36:48
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ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK
ORIGINAL: harrypelles
Here we go again...
Just proving hypocricy....that's all....
Proving hypocrisy would indicate that the same people telling you that killing gobies isn't worth it are telling you to kill stocked trout. Is that correct? Sounded like D-nymph didn't even know what you were talking about. There are a jabillion (technical term) gobies in Lake Erie. While there are a handful of stocked trout in this "wild water". Not exactly a 1 to 1 correlation but I'll stop there and not respond again to this topic :-) No need to beat the horse of death again
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:41:43
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I was proving concept....Removing invasive species from non-native waters......Numbers play no role in the concept...I agree, much easier to remove stocked trout from non-native waters based on sheer numbers, and I totally agree that it should be done, and I don't even fish for native trout. I see how a stocked trout could be placing the native trout species in danger and therefore should be removed. All I was trying to prove is this is the same concept that I got ridiculed for, that's all.......
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BIGSLICK
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:43:46
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ORIGINAL: KJH807
just an observation....
i really don't think people are ever arguing with your ideas...
moreso, its just they don't like you personally
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 10:55:43
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ORIGINAL: npsinboro
Proving hypocrisy would indicate that the same people telling you that killing gobies isn't worth it are telling you to kill stocked trout. Is that correct?
Sounded like D-nymph didn't even know what you were talking about.
Yes. And I had no idea what he was talking about. kjh has a point too.
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 11:06:56
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Doesn't the state stock waters that have natural trout reproduction in them ? How is this different, just asking. I fish a little stream that has wild brookies in it and a local sportsman club also stocks it. This is a common practice, I don't have a marine biology degree so I can't say that its right, but its not uncommon.
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KJH807
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 11:11:23
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ORIGINAL: JEB
Doesn't the state stock waters that have natural trout reproduction in them ? How is this different, just asking. I fish a little stream that has wild brookies in it and a local sportsman club also stocks it. This is a common practice, I don't have a marine biology degree so I can't say that its right, but its not uncommon.
yup thats where there is a legal issues come in but it the stream is a wild brook trout ehancement area... pretty sure you can kill anything but brookies if it is approved trout... there are rules if it is an "un listed" water... all bets are off if it is "un listed" and a club is stocking... your best bet is to discuss concerns with the club
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 11:23:48
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the stream he is talking about is unlisted totally, not stocked by a club at all.... It does have some stockies that make it up about 300 yards before their route is impeded by a log jam hard to pass by humans let alone fish. Not saying none slip through because trout are capable of amazing things, but the stream above I have never seen nothing more than natives. Trout looking for cold water will make it in there, but not far enough or en masse to do any form of considerable damage to any form or population of native inhabitants. Exercise your own discretion at removing trout from waters that support native habitat, given the rules regulating the stream. In this case, a shore lunch would have been viable.
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KJH807
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 11:47:40
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the stream he is talking about is unlisted totally, not stocked by a club at all... sounds like prime racoon food... do a little PINNER style, slit and flip
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 12:44:15
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sounds like they are coexisting. Stockie probably won't make it through winter.
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 13:15:40
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haha watch it now, jimhalupka is a pinner himself!
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KJH807
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 13:20:05
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haha watch it now, jimhalupka is a pinner himself!
i'm sure he has effective and well practiced technique
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RE: stockies in wild water
2009/07/29 15:35:34
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this conversation is clearly taking a turn for the worse
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