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2009/07/19 19:27:41 (permalink)

Kinzua(below dam)

Buddy of mine wants to go hit the waters below the dam for a large brown trout, kind of a bucket list type thing with his dad.
My last trip there was with my grandfather in 1970.
So I have no clue as to access, wading dangers, tackle, techniques, GPS Coordinates to the jelly hole.
Thanks...BING
post edited by bingsbaits - 2009/07/19 19:42:53

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    JSHAFish
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/19 20:03:44 (permalink)
    Go to Pennsylvania Fishing reports, they talk quite a bit about the trout fishery below the dam plus a few tips, some hefty browns and bows in there!
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/19 20:05:12 (permalink)
    AlleghenyGuideservice.com is the site, sorry
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/20 09:18:50 (permalink)
    Grizzlygary.com usually has some good info, too. 
     
    You can fish the shore from both sides but by boat seems to be the best.  Spinning minnies will probably catch you just about everything up there.  Catch some riffle minnies with a tiny hook and small piece of worm in the riffles and then use them for bait.  You can also throw rapalas or other stick baits.
     
    What time of year are they going?
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/20 11:23:58 (permalink)
    Saw a pic of a brown from there in a bait shop that had a 28" girth. There are some hogs in there !
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/21 12:09:38 (permalink)
    I drift down in the boat from the dam to warren every year. I use the same tactics to pick of trout as I do for smallmouth.  I throw dark rapalas and black rooster tails.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/21 14:45:38 (permalink)
    There is no wading or boats allowed for the first several hundred yards below the outflow. After that a small boat is the best way to hit the best spots down to Warren although there are many pulloffs on both sides for walking. Eyes is right on about spinning minnies for the big browns. The no wading area holds the biggest percentage of good fish but gets the most pressure. Any fast water or deep tailouts is good clear to Tidioute.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/21 15:42:49 (permalink)
    Would love to fish the area, could I fish it in a 14 foot Sylvan with a 9.9?

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/21 16:32:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Steeler Fan

    Would love to fish the area, could I fish it in a 14 foot Sylvan with a 9.9?





    You could do anything you want. There are no hp or boat type restrictions there. I fish outta an alluminum jet boat, but there are many hazzards there for a prop boat. If you do fish there with that kinda boat, be ready to tilt that motor up in a hurry, and hopefully, you gotta beefy trolling motor to move you around the shallower areas.

    If you don't know any area on the middle Allegheny very well, and you buzz around in a prop, you're probably gonna hit sumthin.

    My recommendation: That area is best fished from alluminum jet boats, canoes, and kayaks.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/21 16:49:19 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info. I have a 9.9 long shaft that will probably cause problems. I can float in pretty shallow water, but the prop definately hangs down in the water below the boat. How deep are we talking the water is?
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 08:29:49 (permalink)
    For those who wade, it's been a tough year with the higher flows.
    The best fishing for trout is from the dam to the Buckaloons and though you are not allowed to wade above the signs at the dam, no one has ever reprimanded me for wading in to my knees.  
    The best fishing is from dark till mid morning for trout and walleye.
     
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 08:57:22 (permalink)
    Steeler fan,
    The water is all different depths but its the boulders sticking up in the deeper water that will get ya...  Several stretches of riffles too that might be tough to get through with a prop boat.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 09:58:33 (permalink)
    Jet boats are the key and you still have to be careful with those.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 12:10:17 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: dano

    For those who wade, it's been a tough year with the higher flows.
    The best fishing for trout is from the dam to the Buckaloons and though you are not allowed to wade above the signs at the dam, no one has ever reprimanded me for wading in to my knees.  
    The best fishing is from dark till mid morning for trout and walleye.



    I was fishing below the tail race above the signs wading just about to my knees and I guess whoever from top of the dam saw my father and I wading and they called the police and the warren county sheriff came and told us to get out of the water. First time in years that we got told about wading in the area.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 13:00:25 (permalink)
    Fishing is slow at the tailwaters right now...
     
    Despite that the mid-summer months sees literally crowds of (mostly) dissapointed anglers working the river for walleyes, trout,  musky/northern pike, and bass.  This was a stocking year- so predators of full of little trout. 
     
    My advice is to head downstream (warren) and wait until the thermal stress starts concentrating trout.  I'll give you no honey holes, but by and large its not too hard to start guessing what spots might offer a trout cooler water. 
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 15:16:29 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys....

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/22 17:24:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info on the boating. I think I need to take a trip up and try wading first to check it out. Will not be using a boat. Same problem in the Franklin area. Good for the pools, but not the riffles.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 08:54:28 (permalink)
    i agree that when they stock the fish are well fed but even in normal times this river is full of challenges but its the greatest as far as i am concerned. you just have to concentrate and work very hard
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 10:35:14 (permalink)
    I have done the float trip many times through the years and have found large rapalas and daredevil spoons seem to work the best for the brownies.  I don't know if you have access to use a boat but be careful it can get very low.  My dad and I got stuck a few years ago and actually had to get in the water and pull the boat out of the shallows.   I never have caught a huge brown but got some between 25-27 inches.  I have pulled out some big rainbows too.  If you get a chance call up there and get the water flow before you go.  The best luck I've had has been in the early spring around mid April.  Good luck.

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 12:35:05 (permalink)

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    I never have caught a huge brown but got some between 25-27 inches.

    That qualifies as huge in my book. I've never caught a trout that big other than Steelhead. Most people that I've talked to seem to prefer live minnows. You prefer the Rapalas and Daredevils though eh?
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 13:31:31 (permalink)
    I definitely like the daredevil spoons.  There is a purple and blue one that can be very good on the right day.  The red and white as always is a good choice too.  I've caught a few on the rapalas and had my best luck with the gold and black.  Don't be afraid to throw the larger sizes. 

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 14:37:27 (permalink)
    Good deal. Thanks for the info! I'm really hoping to catch one of those two foot plus Browns some day up there. I probably won't make it back up until the second week of August unless I can get away from work before then. What pound test line do you typically use and how long of a spinning rod? Seems like most guys prefer long rods up there (8.5 to 9 ft). Do you fish from the spillway down to Dixon Island or are do you go further downstream?
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 14:45:19 (permalink)
    I actually just use my regular gear that I would use for bass or pike fishing.  6-7 foot rod and 10-12lb test line.  I even use steel leaders sometimes just in case.  I'll start from the rapids below the dam and float all the way down in through Warren.  I've always done the best right around the start of trout season.  If you get a chance try it around mid April.  I've gone in the fall and haven't had to good of results. 
     
    Now when it comes to steelhead that's when I use a 10 foot rod and 4lb flourocarbon.  For some reason when I'm in a boat I always use heavier tackle but when in a stream I tend to go light.  But those steel can be tricky if the water is low and clear so sometimes light line is just about your only chance.

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 14:57:22 (permalink)
    I've been using a 7 ft. rod with 10 lb. test so I guess I'll stick with that. Thanks again for the info. I'll need to stock up on some Daredevils and Rapalas. Do you fish them near the surface or let them sink a bit? I've had a couple guys tell me that they fish minnows at the spillway, throw out all the way to the other side, and bring them quickly across just under the surface and that works well. I haven't tried it yet.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 15:07:17 (permalink)
    I've never used minnows up there.  I did see a guy a couple years ago catch a 30" female brownie at the spillway on a shiner.  It was a beauty.  The daredevils I like to fish slow.  I use a slow steady retrieve.  I really like to let it sway side to side.  With rapalas I like to use a more aggressive approach.  Give it a few quick twitches and let it pause for a second or so.  Repeat.  I've had my hardest strikes when the twitches have been with some force.  Good luck.  You'll get them.

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/23 15:15:52 (permalink)
    I just found out I can have off next Tuesday. I'll either head up there or to the Clarion River. These are the types of decisions that I enjoy making.
     
    update:  after seeing the flow rate for the Clarion and more rain in the forecast it looks like I'll be heading up to Kinzua.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/24 08:30:46 (permalink)
    Ya, deciding where to go is a great problem to have.  Good luck at Kinzua next week.

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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/26 18:38:03 (permalink)
    I fished the clarion from a boat and wading this weekend the flow was fine , the color was a little muddy but fishable. I got bass ant trout both mornings
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/27 14:05:45 (permalink)
    I looked at the flow this morning and saw the flow is just over 1000 in Cooksburg which isn't bad. By tomorrow morning it'll be down even more. That's where we'll be heading. It's a much shorter driver for me than Kinzua and I catch more there. I won't have a chance to catch a 30 incher like I would at Kinzua but I haven't had much luck there anyway. Plus my friend gave me a luke warm fishing report from Sunday.
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    RE: Kinzua(below dam) 2009/07/31 11:50:47 (permalink)
    Well the flow is down and it will be up here shortly but this river I tell you is the challenge. My experience though is they are there -it is way underfished and you have to really get to know what they want  I bet i spend an hour and a half just trying a few things to see and then it starts with maybe moving up or down or just plain switching over to a certain lure and then working one of many ways.
    i caught a 9 pound walleye years ago on a night one would have thought would be perfect, higher flow cloudy but absolutely nothing was hitting so i put on a jig and just because i felt like just fishing -i cast for 3 1/2 hours and bam. kinzua is like that --beware if nothing is hitting you could well catch the largets fish. its a great place but it cvan leave a persistent angler with anguish. But you just keep coming back
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