Enough boat for lake fishing?

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2009/04/11 13:36:39 (permalink)

Enough boat for lake fishing?

Figured you guys would be the best to pose this question to; My friend just bought a 1984 lowe boat, 16' aluminum with a 1993 30 hp motor & a 10 hp. Is this enough boat to get out on the lake to fish for perch or walleye ? I know dad & i used to go out in a 14 ' with a 10 hp but we never lost site of land.  This was back in the late 60's, we used to fish by the shipping lane bouy with a bell on it??? Its been a long time guys.  Thanks for any info   Paul
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    tank7791
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 13:44:11 (permalink)
    you could go out in boat like that, just remember the lake can get high waves very  fast i seem that lake be calm as glass and 10 min later have 6 ft waves just keep that in mind  If i were you i would not go to the trenches with it i would stay close to shore

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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 15:55:02 (permalink)
    eye c man , you can do it. I go out there perchin and trollin for eyes all the time in my 16' 1955 caddy with a 1957 15 hp Evinrude. I have been to the trenches twice in it but since it takes time to get there the weather had better not change on you or you will be in trouble. Got caught once out there in 7 footers after water was glassy for 3 hours and took almost 3 hours to get back in. Was lucky we made it. Never do it again unless I know for sure the wind will never change or pick up. highly unlikly ,I do go out in the lake all the time just not that far anymore. With the amount of time Ive spent on the lake in my boat Ive learned when to say time to head in. There will be more days to hit the water. Dont take chances , think saftey first and fishing second. Be aware of any wind change and cloud development, both good indications of weather changing. If there are any other question you might have PM me and I will try to answer them for you. As far as the size of the boat your using and the lake. and good fishin to ya.

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    jon_e_si
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 16:21:12 (permalink)
    I have a similar type Lowe (deep V) with a ninety Johnson - been out many times, but sometimes you just have to take it slow or stay in. One day last summer there were easily 5's & 6's and mine was the only trailer in the lot at Walnut, but I took it slow, went out anchored & caught my limit - came back slow.
     
    GPS  & compass are invaluable tools if you're going to fish out, particularly when fog sets in!
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 19:43:17 (permalink)
    I would never take that small of a boat out very far. Every time I see a small boat beating its way out I am thankful I have a 24'er. Sometimes it feels too small....
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 21:25:56 (permalink)
    Mikevn , I didnt say I wasnt crazy but I am crazy safe. I know when to say not today. And I do love to fish so I will go there if I have to ,within my safety zone. I aint scarred nor stupid just crazy sometimes. But within that comfort zone. See you out there , I will be the guy in the boat that you see, and then dont see ,and then see again, and then dont see again. LOL  

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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/11 22:02:47 (permalink)
    All you need is one bad day and then you won't be asking for opinions. Fish the bays.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 07:07:07 (permalink)
    There isn't a fish on the planet that would make me go more than a mile or so off shore in that boat.
     
    I'm no expert on Erie walleye, but from what I understand there are always a few walleye in fairly close/shalllow all summer (20 to 30 ft?) you just have to weed through the junk fish.   I'd fish for those, when you want to perch fish, go get on the Edward John.You'll be able to sit back and enjoy the day without having to fear for your life.  Fishing is supposed to be fun.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 07:29:47 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Stillhead

    There isn't a fish on the planet that would make me go more than a mile or so off shore in that boat.

    I'm no expert on Erie walleye, but from what I understand there are always a few walleye in fairly close/shalllow all summer (20 to 30 ft?) you just have to weed through the junk fish.   I'd fish for those, when you want to perch fish, go get on the Edward John.You'll be able to sit back and enjoy the day without having to fear for your life.  Fishing is supposed to be fun.
         


    Good advise, also after 25 years on the great lakes, the lake isnt flat, and then 6 footers in 10 minutes, just doesnt happen that quick, you occasionally get the odd wave far larger than the rest after a long blow,sort of the bath tub effect of the lake equalizing. Most people wouldnt know a true 6 footer if it capsized them, and if in a small aluminum boat, would be too busy $hitting themselves to make an accurate estimate as to wave height, stay within a reasonable distance of shore, carry type 1 PFDs, get a good VHF radio and an 8 foot antenna, not a handheld and with good common sense, enjoy yourself
    post edited by bluntman - 2009/04/12 07:32:27
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 08:10:36 (permalink)
    Happy Easter to All !! First thing I would recommend is taking a U.S.C.G approved safe boating course. Make sure you have all the required safety equipment and a good VHF radio and GPS. I have seen some small boats 14' to 16' heading out in just 2-3 foot waves and I think these guys are nuts!! My 21' can take it but still bob up and down alot. It doesnt matter what size your boat is to a point becuase if your fishing 3-5's it's just not that comfortable. If you are out there for a period of time, are you going to turn green ?  If the lake gets worse, think of how the effects of sea-sickness will hinder your ability to pilot your boat ?? To me, not worth it. If you Keep real close tabs on the weather and stay within the confines of your ability, you should be fine. Good luck and Good Fishin !
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 13:29:33 (permalink)
    I go out to the ditch on my jet ski...
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 14:55:16 (permalink)
    I wouldn't venture far from shore in a 16 footer. Pick your days carefully, and a 16 footer would be great for smallmouth fishing. Remember that if you do get caught in the nasty stuff out there, head for the nearest marina, not necessarily the one you launched from.
     
    I run a 22 ft Grady White walkaround to venture further out and let me tell, there are days when that boat is way too small. 
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 15:50:05 (permalink)
    I often see guys fishing near the mouths of streams and along the shore without a problem.
    In a small boat you are at the mercy of the waves-there is no way to travel a straight line back to the dock.
    What was 20 minutes going out may take hours getting back
    My 20' Glastron with a 350 I/O has a wide beam and a bit of weight to it but takes a pounding running for shore.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 17:24:53 (permalink)
    Problem is guys tow their boats up to the lake only to find it's kicking and they figure we came this far we are going fishing. Those are the guys that get into trouble. Don't be afraid of the lake but RESPECT IT!!! Lake Erie dosen't care what you do,how much money you make or who you are it will eat you alive. Go when the weather says go and if in doubt say onshore cause what you see from shore is not whats happening 8 to 10 miles out. Also don't rely on some on the raido reports stating wave height I've heard guys say 3 ftrs when it's only 1.5,she starts capping most of the time at 3ft. 
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/12 20:02:53 (permalink)
    Relayer hit the nail on the head, couldn't agree more. I have a 16 ft Crestliner and never risk taking it out on questionable days. I may miss a trip or two due to the weather, but I'm still alive to get out the next time conditions permit. I've had my boat to the second ditch, the Ohio line launching from Walnut, and the Canadian line out of NorthEast on perfect days with no worries. Approaching fronts always concern me and I use the utmost of care on these days. A GPS, marine radio, and a compass are a must, but common sense is your best tool. If you have any doubt, stay in. Plus, after gaining knowledge on the lake by personal experience and talking to others, you will be able to find alot of fish in closer and not have to make any long runs.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 06:06:19 (permalink)
    Ditto on the safe boating course! It's called "Seamanship"! Joined the Navy to learn how to "ride the Waves"! Prior to that had some good lessons from Uncle Bill in a 12 foot Alumacraft on Lake Ontario! Just remember the ocean (great lakes - inland oceans too) have more power than anything man can build - remember Edmund Fitzgerald???
     
    There were days on the ocean in Uncle Sam's big ships when it was not a good idea to be there, but we had no choice! The Navy ceased trying to "ride out hurricanes" after they lost 5 destroyers shortly after WWII!!
     
    Watch weather reports - use good judgement & common sense! When I'm geared up for fishing and the "big pond" is too rough, there are several inland lakes within an easy drive to fish!
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 09:19:18 (permalink)
    I fished for years with a similar sized boat.  I always ran into the prevailing winds in the morning to not have to fight the waves coming back.  I also stayed close to the marina and kept my eyes open.  I also started at the crack of dawn as the wind and waves pick up as the day goes on.  Caught quite a few fish though.  Now consider a deep 18 footer as the minimum Erie boat worth considering.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 10:01:03 (permalink)
    I do the same, start out the day going against the waves so that if it gets too bad you don't have to fight against them trying to get back to the marina. You'll still have to fight with them just not against them. And I have a 23' walk around with a self bailing hull. I always have my son with me plus 1 or 2 others, it's just not worth risking lives.
     
    You will find yourself getting disgusted, and tempted to take chances, if your main focus is Lake Erie fishing. There will be more days that you shouldn't go out in a boat that size than there are perfect days. That's why my brother in law now owns my old 16' aluminum and I've got the bigger glass boat now.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 11:11:23 (permalink)
    In a small craft, I'd rather "push" my way through than risk being overtaken by a following sea. If it's not a dangerous situation, yes it's more "Comfortable" to ride "with-em". But in the truely "bad & nasty", it's not the wisest move.

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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 12:30:26 (permalink)
    Good point spoon, having enough power is important as well.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 13:11:14 (permalink)
    I make it a point to be off the lake before overtaking waves cause a swamping hazard. 
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 13:36:42 (permalink)
    A little small for my liking.
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 14:40:31 (permalink)
    Is it a flat bottom or a V, if it is a flat bottom I wouldn't!
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 15:28:49 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: scaremypsu

    Is it a flat bottom or a V, if it is a flat bottom I wouldn't!
    Its a V hull...... Thanks for all the replies guys..... maybe i should tell him we need a bigger boat....after all he still a single guy.....should have some money LOL
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 22:39:12 (permalink)
    Maybe it's time to buy a yacht
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/13 22:57:41 (permalink)
    I would not go more than a mile or so from where you launch in a boat that small. If you do a little research on deaths or drownings on lake erie, you will likely find many of them are in smaller boats. Just last summer there were 3 men that died out of Conneaut Ohio in a 19 foot boat. I heard on 2 or 3 occasions of other 20 foot boats capsized on the lake just when I was out there fishing. I think a deep 22 mfooter is somewhat okay but really like at least a 24 footer with a deep v and hardtop. If you look hard you could find a decent boat from $3000 and up to fish the lake. I'm not trying to scare ya, just hate to see or hear of capsized boats on lake erie. I would highly recommend type 1 offshore life vest on any boat you take on the lake and all other required safety equipment.
    Hop a ride on a charter or with someone that has a bigger boat. You will appreciate what most members are saying aboutb the use of a small boat out there. Seamenship is also a major factor on how well your boat will do. While under power you probably will not have a problem, although a following sea can quickly swamp your vessel. It's if your engine fails or you lose power where the major problem can occur. I've seen the bay (last summer) go from a light chop to 5-6 footers breaking over the hardtop of my 25' Sportcraft within 10 minutes. The winds were over 60 miles per hour. I was glad not to be in the lake that day. This happened very quick and there wasn't time to bet to the dock which was only a half mile away!
     
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    RE: Enough boat for lake fishing? 2009/04/14 06:46:05 (permalink)
    I think this topic can be summed up by saying the most important tool you can have while boating on lake erie is your brain. Just using a little common sense will keep you safe. Never go out if you even think there is a chance of you being in danger due to wave height and wind direction. Use your noodle wisely and there will be plenty of days to do what ever boating activities you do. 

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