Time to post my property

This is the time of year that I re-post the property that I have access to for archery hunting in 2B.  Wish I did not have to but I hear are my reasons.
 
Let me set the stage.  Highly residential with small woodlots.  These woodlots are from 1/2 acre to 4 acres.  I have access to most of these because I haved asked permission from the neighbors and recently they have asked me to post thier property as well. 
 
One of the preferred methods from some of our local "archers" is deer drives in archery season.  I personally know some of these characters.  They drop off drivers into these small woodlots and push the deer into some off the bigger woodlots where the shooters are waiting.  Usually the drivers do not carry thier bows as to not draw too much attention to themselves.  The foliage allows them to sneak very close to houses and safety zones without being detected.  Admittedly they do move some big bucks. 
 
I had enough 2 years ago and started posting the property and that of some of my neighbors as well who had no idea that people were walking right behind thier shed. 
 
Here are my reasons:
 
1. These hunters do not have permission and will not ask for it.  I have talked to several in the woods and told them they were on private property and should ask for permission.  I gave them the owners names as well.  To my knowledge, none have ever asked for permission.
 
2.  How ethical is it for achers to shoot at moving deer?  I understand that they may wait for a stationary target but my gut says they will shoot.  They did get a monster 8 point three years ago that they hit in the neck with a lucky shot the severed the Carotid artery.
 
3.  They forgo scouting and patterning the deer and rely on drives to succeed.  All fine and dandy but for those of us that take the time and do our homework these drives pressure the deer and saturate the area with scent that I have worked hard to avoid.  Pressure a big buck like this and my challenge becomes more difficult.
 
The PGC was contacted and an officer spoke with some of those involved but no fines were issued.  They do know the game laws and walk a fine line.
 
What do others think of these hunting practices?  Does anyone have similar experiences as me.  I am curious to what others think.

The only problem is-what makes you think the posters will stop them. Just like gun laws, the only ones that will stay out are the ones that don't effect you much anyway. The feeling will be "WoW"-- it's posted, there must be a bunch of deer in there, lets sneak in and push them out. Unless you are the landowner you don't have any legal standing to stop them anyway.

ORIGINAL: S-10




The only problem is-what makes you think the posters will stop them. Just like gun laws, the only ones that will stay out are the ones that don't effect you much anyway. The feeling will be "WoW"-- it's posted, there must be a bunch of deer in there, lets sneak in and push them out. Unless you are the landowner you don't have any legal standing to stop them anyway.

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And a lot of locals that are of the McCool clan.

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dpms
I drive deer with a crossbow in the 2B area all the time. In fact we get alot of huge bucks out of these areas. Allegheny County has a huge deer problem, they actually have hired snipers with rifles to take deer out of Upper St Clair and Mt Lebanon. Its people like you that don't know how to push deer sucessfuly, therefor try to take other hunters down. First of all you have no right posting someone elses property. The person who ownes the property must sign and post their own property. Why don't you join the girly group whitetail management so you can try to keep all the deer for yourself. If you own a valid archery license in Pa and obey all the pa game laws theres nothing you can do about it. So keep on wasting your time and money on scents and carbon clothing and I'll keep getting my monster bucks.
 
Later The SLAYER

I like the # 4 because thats how may bucks a crossbow hunter should be able to take in a week
 
LATER SLAYER #4

What is it that you don't agree with Whitetail Mgmt?  Sounds like you're doing the same thing by posting property you don't own. I highly doubt you would release the names and phone numbers of neighbors to get permission.  It sounds more like you want the property to yourself.  Maybe you're just jealous that someone got an 8 point out of your area?? Here's a quote from your original post..."All fine and dandy but for those of us that take the time and do our homework these drives pressure the deer and saturate the area with scent that I have worked hard to avoid.  Pressure a big buck like this and my challenge becomes more difficult."  But in your last post, you said you admitted that you push deer too, even during archery?  Sounds a little contradicting if you ask me.   

Like I said in my original post, if you would read it.  I have given out the names of the property owners and have pointed the trespassers in the direction of the landowner.  To my knowledge, none have ever approached the other landowners and asked permission. 

I am not contradicting anything.  I believe drives work, I drive deer, and I have no problem if you drive deer.  I have said all of that before.  I have a problem if you  trespass without permission.  What don't you get??

If I have a stand set up in an area and someone that has permission to be there drives deer, I will move my stand to another area.  Simple as that.  No questions asked. 
 
Look, access is a major issue in urban settings.  If landowners see you driving deer through thier garden or walking through 10 yard strips of woods between houses, posted signs will go up.  And asking permission becomes more difficult for everybody.  Slob hunters we do not need in our ranks.

So, is my hunch right??

Yeah your hunch is right probobly right by your stand

I do know for a fact that in 2B guys are posting no hunting signs just to keep other hunters out...
last year i lost 2 stands... and seen 3 morons walk right under me... i could have spit on the stupid **** morons...
So i found another out of the way spot and put up my last hang on..
2B is becoming a circus due to all the stats of big deer killed being we are over run with killers not hunters..
I still have a few spots that they cant get to so i am good for now!!
I have seen a few nice bucks so far,but due to shoulder surgery in march still cant pull my bow   and not much time left!! I my have to go to crossbow for one season..
dpms, dont worry about the **** wipes set a few face high branch snares LOL (you never know) LOL good luck all!!!

Yeah and it's gonna get worse

I don't do homework I get the job done

I always tested well, too.

Then, one day I figured, "What if I actually applied myself, instead of relying on my smarts?"

I put the time in, read everything I could get my hands on, and located prime habitat, only to have everybody and their illiterate cousins show up and turn the area into a frikin' shooting gallery.  I'll continue to do my homework, I'll continue to put the time and effort in, but I'll be ****ed if I ever pass up on meat at first light ever again.  I'll have the tags, I'll have the written permission, and I'll have the first antlerless deer or legal buck(if I don't fill that tag in archery) that walks in front of my stand.  Low-beards and mouth-breathers, watch out!


ps - If you find a big ole pile of dooky under your stand, then that means you're tresspassing, and I caught you.  I'm one of those fellas that talks to the landowners, gets the permissions, knows the others allowed to hunt there, and knows who belongs where, and I just ruined "your" spot for a few days.  Just hope I didn't hit the Chinese buffet the night before I left that present.

pps -  I've even been given permission to take a stand down if I know it doesn't belong there.  I've never done it, but I've done my best to make sure it's not a productive location.