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2009/03/12 20:33:18 (permalink)

Non Res. $40 to $70??????

Heard that NY wants to increase the non resident fishing license from $40 to $70 for the season. $15 to $25 for a ONE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
 
 Anyone else hear of such an increase?

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 20:42:23 (permalink)
    OUCH! I only buy one to fish about 200 yards across NY line on the lake! Not this year...Those humps won't see me this year!

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 20:58:00 (permalink)
    link?.. I seriously doubt they will bump it from 40 to 70 in one season. If they do these days , it will make alot of folks more miserable.
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 21:25:56 (permalink)
    This link states $20 increase. Seems to be the only "real" proposal I could find. Other sites didn't have any actual proposals. http://lakeontariooutdoors.com/latest-news/reynolds-game-farm-injunction.html
     
    $20 is a fifty percent increase. Still pretty steep....

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 22:14:30 (permalink)
    Yesterday Paterson backed off his BS taxes... soda, hair cuts, bowling etc. as far as I know he backed off proposed license increases as well. Any proposed changes for 2010 DEC regs are at this link...http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/51001.html .

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 22:53:12 (permalink)
    The NYS gov't is a complete farse and that jackass gov. is going to ruin whats left of this sad state. they are taking federal stimulus funds which is supposed to start up building projects and put people to work. instead they are using it to cover their **** and put it toward the 1.3billion short fall in the state budget, a budget which they don't know how to manage. Except for $4,000 hookers and high priced carpets along with large raises.
    Oh man here i am talking stinkin politics..... yea it smells fishy..
     
    Oh , the license increase is still proposed, so watch that one get passed. Even ray charles could see that coming (sorry)..

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 23:16:09 (permalink)
    It's going to hurt a lot of people. It will be interesting to see how much N/R license sales drop off. Fifty percent is rediculous.

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 23:17:57 (permalink)
     Get rid of the blind man and put back in place the porno star. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWEfnhWbow
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/12 23:34:28 (permalink)
    Sorry, miss spoke, It was reported on Shanty some time ago, that the trout/salmon stamp was squashed don't know bout license increase....cheers
     
    Oh yeah, BTW Paterson is doing a great job at least from this Republican's point of view. He has single handedly pretty much guarantied the next Governor will be a Republican, if he bothers to run that is.
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/14 18:34:39 (permalink)
    Anybody try the new shimano composite  yet? http://www.voltaeus.com/explore.php
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/15 17:06:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: hot tuna

    The NYS gov't is a complete farse and that jackass gov. is going to ruin whats left of this sad state. they are taking federal stimulus funds which is supposed to start up building projects and put people to work. instead they are using it to cover their **** and put it toward the 1.3billion short fall in the state budget, a budget which they don't know how to manage. Except for $4,000 hookers and high priced carpets along with large raises.
    Oh man here i am talking stinkin politics..... yea it smells fishy..

    Oh , the license increase is still proposed, so watch that one get passed. Even ray charles could see that coming (sorry)..
      A small increase is understandable! maybe it will keep all the s**t from buying a liscense? less sales equals less fisherman and more space for me! Regardless I will but one again for2010 after all where else can I get the quality of fish and the experience?  PS let NY legalize prostitution< alot more people would be happy   hahahah
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/03/15 21:02:15 (permalink)
    Yeah a small increase wouldn't be bad should the money be put to good use supporting park wildlife management/stocking programs and similiar programs.. God only knows we need funding riverbed embankment /bridge maintainance from global warming weather patterns. I see on this site three record stage floods in three years check this out! from 2001 to 2006 http://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/peak?site_no=01420500&agency_cd=USGS&format=html this is just one example. We need better management so the money is used wisely and not filling some blind madoffs with deep pockets.  

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/03 17:57:26 (permalink)
    It's being proposed to increase to $70 for non-res. now. $30 increase-75% is insane.
     
    End of the article it contains the increases.  http://www.tonawanda-news.com/outdoors/local_story_088003306.html
     
    From article:
    Change in Proposed License Fee Structure

    A new proposed pay scale for a license fee increase is on the table and the most significant change involves short-term licenses. A one-day resident license, that was originally removed altogether, has been put back and actually reduced to $5 per day.

    Non-resident one-day licenses were originally proposed to increase from $15 to $25 has been rescinded and it now back at $15 per day. A week-long license for non-residents will be increased from $25 to $35, and a seasonal tag will be increased from $40 to $70 with no additional stamps such as a trout and salmon stamp that was proposed a few month ago.

    A resident one-week license would increase from $12 to $15 and a seasonal license would jump from $19 to $29. A sportsman license would increase from $37 to $47. We’ll have more on this in the future. Again, it’s proposed.

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/04 08:24:46 (permalink)
    Pa. charges non-res 70$, what's the problem?
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/04 13:15:27 (permalink)
    With the cost of a non resident license and a combined salmon/lake eire stamp it would cost about the same cost for me to fish there. 
    Haven't seen a bunch of NYers whining about that.

    Personally I think it should be the same as what each state costs a New Yorker to fish. Add up all their stamps and charge them that amount to fish here.

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/04 15:36:03 (permalink)
    Wader, I agree that states should be reciprical on their non-resident licenses. How about 2X what a resident pays? A junior res. and non-res, 16-18yrs?

    This is what's going to hurt me. It's going to cost about $120 EXTRA each year (AVG) to take family/other kids fishing. I really feel they ar not concerned about non-res. buying a license. NY has the market locked up for big fish in the northeast and they know it. What choices do we as fishermen have? Go to the Canadian side or Lake Michigan?

    BTW I also think the PA. Non-res. is too high. PA. needs to get funding for our hunting and fishing programs from general revenues like other states. We sportsmen are paying for everyone's wildlife/clean waters benefit. Our two agencies recieve ZERO-Zilch! from general funds. That's another pallet of worms to open...

    As far as "a bunch of NY'ers whinning about it", How many Ny'ers come to PA. for fishing Erie compared to PA. residents going to fish LO? There's a heck of a lot more PA. res. going north.  Take a look in the marina parking lots where there's charter boats, campgrounds/hotels, food establishments, tackle shops, gas stations, driftboat launches. There's many out of state plates there contributing to the local economies. How is this increase if it goes thru going to affect those businesses? Your going to have your diehards that will pay no matter what the license costs, but, there will be a drop off of sales which is less tourism $$$ spread out to the local economies. I have friends than run charters. They're great guys and run class act charters. They said to me they get about 75% of business from non-residents. (not just PA., but from the whole NE.) How is it going to affect them? They're very worried and rightfully so. Last year with the gas prices going sky high, their trips and profits were down. Will the increase do the same again to them?

    NY has many more miles of great lake shoreline (deeper too) and river systems to support a great fishery and diversity of Salmonids. No doubt about it. I've been fishing upstate for over thirty years and love the trips I/we have taken. The increase in everything adding up is definately going to limit our trips.

    Why more people are not voicing their concerns on this board is beyond me. These boards are pretty dead until Salmon season, maybe most aren't aware.

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    Prioised License Fee Schedule


    Resident Licenses


    License / Permit Type
    Current Fee
    Proposed Fee


    Conservation Legacy
    $76
    $96

    Super Sportsman
    $68
    $88

    Sportsman
    $37
    $47

    Sportsman (Sr. 70+)
    $5
    $10

    Small and Big Game
    $19
    $29

    Fishing
    $19
    $29

    Fishing (Sr. - 70+)
    $5
    $5

    Fishing (Blind)
    $0
    $0

    Deer Management Permit
    $0
    $10

    Military Disability
    $5
    $5

    Bow Hunting
    $16
    $21

    Bow Hunting (Sr. 70+)
    $0
    $5

    Bow Hunting (Jr.)
    $9
    $9

    Muzzleloading
    $16
    $21

    Muzzleloading (Sr. 70+)
    $0
    $5

    Small Game
    $16
    $25

    Junior Hunting
    $5
    $5

    Turkey Permit
    $5
    $10

    Trapping
    $16
    $21

    Trapping (Sr. 70+)
    $0
    $5

    Trapping (Jr.)
    $6
    $6

    7-day Fishing
    $12
    $15

    1-day Fishing
    $15
    $5

    Lifetime Licenses


    License / Permit Type
    Current Fee
    Proposed Fee


    Sportsman (age 0- 4)
    $300
    $380

    Sportsman (age 5-11)
    $420
    $535

    Sportsman (age 12-69)
    $600
    $765

    Sportsman (age 70+)
    $50
    $65

    Small and Big Game
    $350
    $535

    Fishing (age 0-69)
    $300
    $460

    Fishing 70+
    $50
    $65

    Trapping
    $300
    $395

    Bow Hunting
    $180
    $235

    Muzzleloading
    $180
    $235

    Non-Resident Licenses


    License / Permit Type
    Current Fee
    Proposed Fee


    Super Sportsman
    $250
    $280

    Big Game
    $110
    $140

    Bow Hunting
    $110
    $140

    Bow Hunting (Jr.)
    $9
    $9

    Muzzleloading
    $110
    $140

    Bear
    $30
    $50

    Small Game
    $55
    $85

    Junior Hunting
    $5
    $5

    Turkey

    $30
    $50

    Trapping
    $255
    $310

    Fishing
    $40
    $70

    7-Day Fishing
    $25
    $35

    1-Day Fishing
    $15
    $15

    Conservation Patron
    $12
    $12
     
    post edited by Over the Hill - 2009/04/04 17:08:35

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/04 18:36:39 (permalink)
    IM GLAD TO SEE A BLIND MAN CAN BE A JACKASS AS WELL HOW MANY MIDDLEFINGERS CAN HE SEE ANSWER NONE SO HE DOES NOT CARE .
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/05 03:56:07 (permalink)
    OTH
    That is exactly my point.
    With the fishing so much better (which is paid for out of license fees) here, how is it so bad that NY wants to charge as much as a state with a lesser fishery charges?
    That old argument about  the revenues gained by out of staters never washed with me.
    Some lakefront motels,eateries and bait&tackle shops are making good money and paying a small % in increased taxes, but the money that is needed to maintain the fishery is coming from the general public (license buyers) and is far more than the taxes paid by those few people making money off the fishing.
    A few other things that the fishery has brought are more litter, snaggers, and a law against fishing the tribs at night because of drunken latenight loud, peeing in people yards idiot. (the largest % of which were out of staters).
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/05 12:41:02 (permalink)
    Wader, My point was Pa, IMO, charges too much. 2 wrongs don't make it right. I'm trying to find recent figures on how much money the sportfishing industry brings in. (anyone know?) I don't believe it's a little number.
     
    As far as littering and "disorderly conduct", every bushel of apples has it's rotten ones. It can be a major problem in places/areas and times of the year. What's the solution to it? Policing our own, education, heavier fines, community service to clean those areas up? One thing NY has that PA doesn't is the deposit laws on containers. I wish we had it here. In two weeks, our local fishing spots will be "trashed" again. Only from a very few, but enough to give all anglers a blackeye in the public view and disgust the few private property owners who still leave their property open to the public.

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/06 05:10:55 (permalink)
    maybe they should start paying attention to people brining fish in backwards, sideways and issue fines. Is it true people dont have to have the license visible like pa does? guess youll get alot of people fishing with out license now.
     
    sorry to go off the topic but wader did your wife get the good news from the red cross about all the cuts they are taking away from us?

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 08:48:05 (permalink)
    Kyler she is long gone from the cross. She now finds jobs for the handicapped.

    Its not 2 wrongs making a right It just seems to indicate what states (plural) feel is a fair price. If it were just one it might be greedy (as has been said NY's fee is much lower at this time).

    While money may be coming in with out of staters it also costs a lot to keep the fishery they come for productive.
    And while a handful of businesses profit from it (and pay taxes based on those earning) the money to maintain it comes from all of us that purchase licenses (even though most do not make money from the fishery). The tax money goes to the general fund and does not go back to the hatchery program.
    Businesses make money from it.
    The government (general tax fund) makes money from it.
    The average NY fisherman makes no money from it but instead pays for it so those other entities can profit from it. If people from other states come to use said fishery they have no complaint in having to pay as much as a New Yawker does in their home state.
    Is it a lot of money? Yes of course it is. It is also a great fishery.

    It seems to be a fair price when veiwed against what other states charge for lesser fisheries!

    PS- This salmon stocking program was not started to bring in out of state fishermen but rather to deal with the large number of alewives dying off and rotting on the beaches. A by product was great fishing for some in the know locals.
    I would be fine with cutting the stocking numbers back to 70s levels (reducing the cost and therefore need for as much license revenues and cheaper lincenses) and if nobody dragged a boat across the border it would just mean more water for me.

    All in all ya get what ya pay for. If you want the chance to come and catch 30 pound kings, 20 pound steelhead and browns it costs money.
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 09:44:14 (permalink)
    i had a guy i fished with you name it it went into the water along the road in the parking lot , he was a real litter bug and would let you pay his way fishing that was good of him did you notice i said use to fish with ,as far as i know it hes moved on he now fishes the nut you will know him to see him hes the one tossing chicken bones down stream
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 11:54:53 (permalink)
    Wader, your right about NY providing a great fishery. It always amazed me too with the price of a non-res. and the opportunities the lake provided. It was reasonable. The rate of increase is my issue. If the PGC decided to incease the non-res. hunting licenses to NY's non-res. rate in one increase, I bet there would be an outcry. We do get many people from NY hunting here. I'm still having a hard time finding out the impact of the tourism for the fishery and how many jobs are created from it and revenues taken in. I know it's on the web somewhere........ All in all, good discussion.
     
    Leadman, some people will never learn with their habits, IE: littering. Maybe some embarrassing comments to the person will get them to change their ways a LITTLE, without going overboard and getting out of control. I've done it in the past and after a while most come around a little.
     
    BTW: NY wants to DOUBLE it's tax on BEER!
     
     

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 13:15:42 (permalink)
    on beer bad idea for those who love beer just another nail in a coffin ny has to be kidding itself that a raise of so much will not hurt them they are wrong i say lower that cost and see how much more will come in say 2weeks of free fishing for the whole us how many people will take that opp i would fish in pa or in ny and im bringing a truck that likes gas a boat that will suck some down a pillow lookin for a motel bed a gut that will want a good meal and some lures i have not seen at home or dam that last fish spooled me i need new line mmmm the impact and if i smoked ill need a pack or two wow i drop around 200 bucks for the weekend fishing the bar in ny and thats a overnight thing ill go to mish
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 14:59:23 (permalink)
    Still a deal if not a steal at the new price.
    Those income numbers you are looking for are profit for only a few business people not the  general license buying public. Only a small amount comes back as taxes. That goes into the states general fund not the conservation fund which is where the money to support the hatchery program that draws out of state anglers comes from. If you want the fishery as it now exists to remain license fees must support it as well as the regs enforcement, boat launch upkeep and many more things. The price of all those things has risen and must be paid for. If other states charge more for lesser fisheries than exist here what is the problem with NY raising the cost to the going rate.

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    I don't own a gas station, motel, tackle shop, diner or bar. All that money you write of does nothing for me or most NY fishers. It is fair to have non residents pay for the cost of the resource  (we the resident license buyers are paying for) they are using. If the new cost was radically higher than the fees other states charge it would possibly be another story but they will still be in line with the going rate.

    Rather than complain about the increase try thinking about it as what a deal nonresidents have been getting for years.
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/07 15:08:41 (permalink)
    Just buy a fishing license...seriously...and if you aren't b/c it's $70, don't complain about it and cause a rant.
    As far as I see it, there aren't many people that fish the NY tribs anyways (other than peak king runs)...so if lesser people buy a license because of it, there will be more rooms on the streams...and the DEC will still make up the difference in license holders due to the change in prices.


    PS: Nonresident fishing license for my friends that moved out of PA and still fish here and Erie tribs cost them $65 i think this year....so PA prices aren't much favorable

    ...does anyone wanna go fishing?
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/08 05:59:25 (permalink)
    boy my statewill set you back 40 for non res and 19 for res i will not say one is better than the other i buy my lic and ny inc and canada in the past what im saying how many people say that extra jump is too much that will hurt that economy the gougeing gas station will not pump as much so its price is 20 or so cents higher and you pay that just a big picture you will not see it affect you in a short term its the long run , and if the state would stop buying hookers and 500 chairs and the uper end cars to travel in there budget would be a lot better ,as we all see a waste of money raiseing lic price is not the fix accounting for the money is
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/08 12:36:25 (permalink)
    That's why I always enjoy my trip to visit family in Indiana.  Non-resident annual fishing license is $35, plus $11 for trout/salmon stamp.  This is a real bargain. 
    Fish Port of Indiana from breakwater and got lots of action in Spring with Steelhead, Coho and Brown Trout. 
    Go back in July for Super Steelies (Skeemania) and Smallmouth Bass/Perch/Walleyes with plenty of action.  Could also return in Fall for Chinook, but don't always have the financial resources.  Plenty of action and plenty of room to fish without being crowded.

    Eagle Ed
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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/08 21:57:35 (permalink)
    Ed, come on! lol where is your obama patriotism?  nyc infrustructor needs your support! they need to pay mafia union to recoat the rusting bridges!

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    RE: Non Res. $40 to $70?????? 2009/04/09 06:43:27 (permalink)
    You're right 79 it's all them liberal dems fault that there may be an increase. Of course I think the price for a resident license went from $9.50 to $19.00 under Pataki after staying at the lower price under Coumo.
    Times and circumstances change and all the IN at the time can do is roll with them or get rolled under by them.

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