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2009/01/22 00:48:54 (permalink)

Fiberglass boat repair needed

I am looking to possibly purchase a boat that needs basically rebuilt. Bulkheads, stringers and transom. I need someone who is trustworthy. I dont like the layout on the new boats at all and can't afford nor justify $100,000 for a new baha or sportcraft (which are not very high quality). I found a boat I really like 1988 Baha 280 that has a nice size cockpit but it like all others is rotted. Any help appreciated.
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    saltflyfisher
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 07:23:08 (permalink)
    BF, before you purchase the boat put all the costs together and you may find you've saved a small amt over a boat w/o any repairs needed and able to use it this yr not 2 yrs from now. You obviously could be paying for a paper weight in the yard.

    If there is that much to be replaced, I'd ask myself how much more is there. Get the boat surveyed, worth the cost, and you're find what else may be wrong w/ it.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 09:13:26 (permalink)
    I watched Beaver Park marina do a new transom on a 1984 Grady White Offshore 24 and they did a nice job. Don't recall the price they were charging. Saw Chris Brockway doing a transom job on a 24 ft Cobia back when he owned Erie Angler. He as charging $5,500 I believe. I'm pretty sure he's retired now though. He lives in Ashtabula. There's a guy on www.thehulltruth.com that lives in Perrysburg, OH and just had a transom re-done within the last year. I believe I heard him say he's happy with it.
     
    For the transom alone, you could figure around $5,000. Replacing stringers would be quite a project. For having all the work done your considering, I would not be surprised if it were to run $15,000, or more. Maybe much more.
     
    With the used boat market supposedly being what it is, you might be better off just passing on that boat with the rotted structural components. 
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 10:33:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for the response. I looked at many boats and it seems theres alot of junk out there. I havent found another boat with twin that are under the deck. The cockpit on this boat is huge! I'm having the boat totally rebuilt including bulkheads, stringers from front to back, gas tank shelves, bulkheads, etc. The boat then should survey just fine.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 12:19:34 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Big Fathead

    Thanks for the response. I looked at many boats and it seems theres alot of junk out there. I havent found another boat with twin that are under the deck. The cockpit on this boat is huge! I'm having the boat totally rebuilt including bulkheads, stringers from front to back, gas tank shelves, bulkheads, etc. The boat then should survey just fine.

     
    Did you already purchase the boat?
     
    Why not look for a BAHA that is 1996 or newer.  Those year models use the "green board" in the transom and stringers and you shouldn't have the rot issue, at least.  I don't think they changed the cockpit design that much in those model years.  Haven't really looked at the Bahas in that size range though. 
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 12:19:53 (permalink)
    Be sure to do a total rewire and replace all the plumbing while your at it.
     
    Who did you find to do the work?
     
    I would love to totally rebuild a boat one day as a project. Just no time in my life right now.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 14:23:44 (permalink)
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/22 14:38:07 (permalink)
    Is gas not an issue for you? I know a couple guys that have baha's and they spend a fortune to fish. I also know a guy that has a 31' grady white with a huge cockpit and its gets twice maybe 3 times the mileage with twin yamaha's on the back. Maybe you should look into other boats. Thats just my 2 cents prolly doesn't help but.....
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/23 08:13:03 (permalink)
    He's a charter captian they pass their costs onto their clients.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/23 08:55:15 (permalink)
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    http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/boa/1003254287.html

     
    I wonder what that ad is referring to when it says "refurbished". The items that are listed as new in that ad are not what I'd be concerned about if I were considering this boat. I'd be concerned about the stringers and transom.
            
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/25 20:05:11 (permalink)
    Just my two cents outboards have less than half the life of traditional inboards. Super expensive to buy and pretty hard to net fish around. Can't beat crusader or mercruiser bluewater inboards. Stay warm and come on spring
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/25 22:58:44 (permalink)
    I am a charter captain and don't pass the cost onto clients! I actually fish MOST OF THE TIME PRIVATELY.  I also share very valuable information on technics, reports, and fish location due to the time I spend on the water. Outboards SUCK! As far as mileage I don't think there better when comparing equal size horsepower and boats. Also have you ever had to replace an outboard? Very expensive, I'll save my money for fuel. I already purchased this Baha and Happy Days is picking the boat up to rebuild it within a week or two. I have owned many boats and this platform is awsome for fishing. No motor covers and wide open fishing space! Fuel is a fraction of what we spend on fishing. Fishing sure beats drugs, alchohol, gambling ort smoking! I am a true fishhead!
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/25 23:15:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Big Fathead

    I am a charter captain and don't pass the cost onto clients! I actually fish MOST OF THE TIME PRIVATELY.  I also share very valuable information on technics, reports, and fish location due to the time I spend on the water. Outboards SUCK! As far as mileage I don't think there better when comparing equal size horsepower and boats. Also have you ever had to replace an outboard? Very expensive, I'll save my money for fuel. I already purchased this Baha and Happy Days is picking the boat up to rebuild it within a week or two. I have owned many boats and this platform is awsome for fishing. No motor covers and wide open fishing space! Fuel is a fraction of what we spend on fishing. Fishing sure beats drugs, alchohol, gambling ort smoking! I am a true fishhead!
       
     
     
    But you know the mentality of this board  "Al Lindner never uses an IB boat, how can I catch fish without a Lund with a OB,
     
    Ill take a glass IB anyday over a recycled pop can with a ricerocket clamped to the back
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/26 06:09:22 (permalink)
    Just saw a huricane boat on ebay go for 4,300. It was a 1992, 25' Proline with twin 150 Yamaha's. Very minimal damage next to the cockpit. Seems there are quite a few of them.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/26 13:12:15 (permalink)
    Wow all I made was a suggestion.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/26 16:12:30 (permalink)
    For lake fishing, I would take IBs or I/Os anyday as well.  But, out in the real blue water, there is a reason the mosquito fleets runs outboards almost exclusively (unless you are talking diesels).
     
    Did Happy Days give you an estimate?  You did say it was a 28' Baha, right?  I think I still have a line on a '93 25' Baha Sportfisherman but I think it would need the same work you are looking at getting done.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/27 14:06:50 (permalink)
    Bet ya won't be doin that again. I hope you learned your lesson!!
    post edited by LDD - 2009/01/27 14:07:10
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/27 17:18:07 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: LDD

    Bet ya won't be doin that again. I hope you learned your lesson!!


    Well I'd say something really mean right here but.... guess I learned my lesson
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/27 17:47:32 (permalink)
    CHECK YOUR PM FATY
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/27 17:51:18 (permalink)
    i still like a strong running twin 350s or 454s turn them up and just feel the hum aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa music to my ears
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/30 00:13:48 (permalink)
    Yes I have an estimate from Happy Days. I decided to let them do the work because they guaranteed the boat done by a certain date and they surely know how to rebuild them. Thanks for the input.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/30 13:25:36 (permalink)
    LOL, for those of you guys trash talking outboards, you should try one of the newer 4 stroke outboards. You'd be singin' a different tune. I have a Yamaha F225 on the transom of my 22 ft walkaround. I'd take it anyday of the week over the MerCruiser I/O I had on a previous boat. Don't get me wrong, the MerCruiser was a good, reliable power package. But I like the F225 WAY better. Runs quieter, no bellows, gimble bearing, coupler, u-joints, exhaust manifolds, hoses (etc.) to maintain and replace, AND it's 400 lbs lighter. Plus, when it comes to late season use, no need to worry about the block or manifolds freezing. As long as it's straight up and down, it drains itself. I used to hate having to drain the water out of the I/O and fill it with antifreeze. I don't have a fuel flow meter, but I seem to be using less fuel with the 4 stroke outboard than I did with the I/O. In all fairness, the I/O I owned was carburated, where as my 4 stroke outboard is injected. And because of my transom configuration, it's WAY easier to fish around than the I/O (remember, with an I/O, you still have an outdrive sticking out the back, BUT you also have the big motor box hogging up space in the cockpit).
     
    Only drawback of the 4 stroke outboard is (as someone already mentioned) they are not cheap.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/30 14:00:39 (permalink)
    happydays  not bad!!  i had one guy who complained of them but he did that with everyone , you know when it comes time to buy ,hes not around well he no longer fishes with me he was to buy 2times and never did , just another day in paradise
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/30 15:25:28 (permalink)
    Don't ya love guys like that. I took a guy for a weekend once, he stood and watched me put $130 in the truck fuel tank, $40 in the boat and pay for two nights in a motel on my card not to mention snacks and lunch for on the boat. When the weekend was over and we were done cleaning fish and splitting up the fillets, he hands me a $50 bill. I had over $400 in the weekend and he pulled in most of the fish since he couldn't keep the boat going in a straight line. Once, only once.
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/30 19:52:41 (permalink)
    But a true inboard has no motor box, and with the motor at the center of gravity they ride and drift a helluva lot better than OBs , plus you can rebuid a Velvet Drive for under 100 bucks in parts, try doing that with an OB or IO
    post edited by bluntman - 2009/01/30 22:06:19
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/31 14:26:20 (permalink)
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    post edited by eyesandgillz - 2009/02/02 09:43:46
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/31 23:07:55 (permalink)
    Used to work on a 1989 280 Baha outa Bula for 2 years (along with about 6 other capts down there as well)...Was never too crazy about trips on that boat....Its a big boat measuring about 31' LOA...Its great that the motor box is under the floor, but they sit very very high out of the water because of this...High freeboard and raised deck to put the motor under the floor make it not so perfect for trolling in my opinion.....Make sure you buy a long, and I mean LONG net...Most of the time you couldnt even think of dipping a net without the fish right in back of the boat...Also was a pain to dock in any kind of wind.  Thing caught air like a sail at the dock....Wasnt my favorite boat to work on, but it made me some cash money.....That boat was very sound structurally (which is suprising) i know the capt had it surveyed while I worked there and very little issues with the floors in stringers...might actually be for sale now as well...I could check, unless you already pulled the trigger....
     
    Boat isnt a speed deamon at all....Max speed on that boat was only about 17mph with a single 454 inboard...cruised only about 12-15 without bailing gas out of it a real pig with the fuel bill...The 299 Baha is a much better all around boat for a charter capt.  They sit much lower to the water...are easier to dock with twins....and the motor boxes serve as a great place to park your butt and still PLENTY of deck space for 6 guys + Capt + Mate...
     
    Modern outboards are great and very fuel efficient....but so are modern fuel injected V8s...Its all in what you prefer and what you know how to do when it comes to maintence...most newer equipment with routine oil changes are usually good for 1500hrs without a hic-up....Ive been looking for a 2510 Parker with 350 Merc Bravo 3 Fuel Injected for months...already missed out on one....Kind of a rare find for a yamaha boat...
     
    Also it was 1997 when Baha had moved its entire fleet into the no rot system...Many 96 boats were produced with the old syle marine grade plywood....The 80s and early 90s boats had alot of structural rot issues prior to this...obviously here is another case....However to the best of my knowledge Baha is still around there having never gone bankrupt...I know there new stuff is ok looking, but the floors are flimsy

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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/01/31 23:20:32 (permalink)

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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/02/01 12:52:00 (permalink)
    The reason the 299 is a better boat is the top is a baha and the bottom of the hull ie water line down is a 30 foot sportcraft...  Just dont buy one with a volvo 454 severly under powered. 502 or 496 or twin 350's  are a much better option. In my opinion There are only a few boats that make Great  charter boats. 27 Sportcraft Best ride for the money and any of the tiara or pursuit models. The old 280 and 31 baha hulls are a nock off from Bertram.  As far as Glass or stringer repairs there is not better shope than anchor marine. Terry Does great work My Penn Yan after a total rebuild front to back Rides like a new boat. 
     
    As far as harnesses go what we all forget is they are there for the pork chop only. Take the blade off and see how many you still catch  Copper/orange Copper/pink  have been the best for us. Put em and we'll see what happens.
     
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    RE: Fiberglass boat repair needed 2009/02/01 14:24:51 (permalink)
    Actually now you can see the similarities in the hull part of the 300 sport and 299 baha...hmm thanks for that input...never even noticed it...
     
    Ill agree with Capt Dan...272 Sport is a pretty good boat....i actually might be interested in one if I can find one with proper power...
     
    Dan what motors are in your 27's?

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