dfishnfool's report

Take with a block of salt- at least his comment on mile creeks.  If we get the rain forecast, which right now doesn't seem likely today, mile creeks
might get some fish. Hasn't been a great season on the east side this year.

ORIGINAL: Pizzapro

I have to chime in on the reports as well.I fished Elk and Walnut the last 2 days and there were very few fish at all .I walked all the way up Walnut past 5 and saw 6 fish yesterday that were not holding in the stop sign hole or Manchester tubes at 5.Elk was the same .The reports may be true if you are fishing bait on a drift in the deeper slack water but there are virtually no fish in riffle/run sections the last 2 days.Very odd indeed for time of year water conditions.Not saying reports are embellished but the whole story is not being told. I would hope the weather coming will change all this.

 
 
The fish haven't been in the riffles and runs the last few days because of the cold snow run off. It's been winter conditions, we need a warm up to spread the fish out in the pocket water.

Thankfully for me there's is a useable USGS gauge on Walnut now and I don't even have to look at the reports now. I can see what the flow is on the Nut and that gives me a good idea of what Elk looks like and the precipitation gauges on Accuweather let me know how much rain precip fell in Harborcreek and it's all good from there. I've been finding fish in fast water through low water conditions and everything else. I learned long ago not to even guess why fish do what they do.

Stillhead you are right about the shock of water temps. I would not have thought about the downward spike holing them up like that. I did observe sluggish fights from the fish I did catch supporting your theory.The weather ,learning what it does and catching fish that is what makes this fun.I always say the good days would mean nothing without bad days.

how can the temps be plumetting in the spring???
the streams are locked up at sub freezing for long periods allowing fish to adjust
the spring warms the water therefore speeding up metabolizm and the need to feed

that graph some temps of 12 C to 1C (thats 53F to 33F)in a matter of days... that shock will shut fish down

Temps plummet in spring when it starts to warm up a slightly for a few days and warm the water up a bit and then when the temp suddenly spikes up and starts melting a lot more snow real rapidly it drops again. For instance I was up on the SR back in early April, the temp was about 46 degrees and the water was the same but then then all that Tug Hill snow started melting real quickly and the water temp dropped to about 34 degrees.

Yeah, I was fishing on Nov 1st and I was wailing on fish up and down the stream. Apparently they didn't get your memo.

Stillhead can certainly speak for himself (and I expect he will) but I can tell you he was also "wailing on the fish up and down the stream".  He is referring to their behavior (where they were holding, their willingness to move) not their willingness to bite or their location.  I think he got the memo.  ;-)

What was the point of this thread?

i forgot after reading all these great trout bytes of info

..L.T.A.

The only thing I said about the report was that he said the mile streams all had a lot of fish. I fished all the mile streams this week, and several had NO FISH, or very few fish, and all were so low that even catching a fish in them was not very exciting. Even 20 mile had very few fish. I don't
know what his intent was in putting out bs like this.
 
The mile creeks may be better after today, since they went from trickles to almost blown out in one day, and may get some fresh fish in. I fished 3 of them today, and they were all high and fast, but not too dark.
 
 

Report was good and well thought.   Maybe a hint of bring your buisness to Ohio Tribs.   And while he was at it even though were not allowed He  posted his Guide Service address on the reports page. I think his report was more to attract buisness .   And in my opinion you would b Dfishin fool to spend that kinda money for a guide when there are so many people there on the tribs willing to share info. If you approach them right.
 
Sometimes the best Guide is the guy fishin next to you who's catchin fish.

ORIGINAL: wishfishin

Well, we've done the "what is  a steelhead" thread, the chum thread, the "how to hold a fish thread"  (sort of), the multiple "where are the fish" threads--so it's probably about time to do the "do you really need a guide in Erie" thread too...

 
and its not even thanksgiving!

ORIGINAL: washdog

Report was good and well thought.   Maybe a hint of bring your buisness to Ohio Tribs.   And while he was at it even though were not allowed He  posted his Guide Service address on the reports page. I think his report was more to attract buisness .   And in my opinion you would b Dfishin fool to spend that kinda money for a guide when there are so many people there on the tribs willing to share info. If you approach them right.

Sometimes the best Guide is the guy fishin next to you who's catchin fish.

Yes he is aloud to post his guide service web page in his reports . The site owner knows of this because it was set up that way.He does not even have to list it as it does it automaticaly. If I posted a stream report it would post at the bottom Wetwater guide servce without me typing it in. A guide service web page does not compete in any way with fishusa so it is not any violation. Now if a guide was posting he had say flys for sale that in itself would be a violation.

ORIGINAL: FlashDance

"What was the point of this thread?"

Steelhead movement occurs based on more than just rain fall.

I have no doubt, Flash.
matter of fact, your brother and I have watched them belly crawl up and onward thru a low gin clear creek this Sept and early Oct
Low and gin  and not a drop of rain for weeks when that was going on.

It's a little different is Pa tribs though.
Not because the fish are any different, but because the creeks are so much smaller and more shallow.
They  can't belly crawl over WAY  LONG stretches of trickles of water

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a quick note about D'fishinfool's report.
i know Don, I don't consider him a BSer and he's always given good info.
He's  VERY knowledgeable and knows these fish and the creeks.

However he is also more of business man now and no longer a "mom and pop" type guide service he was many years ago.
The last sentence of that post  reveals the real agenda of his report.
Which is...he has guides that aren't booked.

is there anything wrong with that?
Not IMO, it's no different than businesses  that send out "news letters" .
There will be some info in the news letters, but it's really about marketing and keeping your service in front of potential customers.

no different than Uncle John's cabins or the green roof inn, or any number of biz entities that are panning for gold with their "news letters" (fishing reports)


..L.T.A.

ORIGINAL: washdog

He ended his fishing report with, " I have guides available Sat, Sun. and Monday if you are interested in some Buckeye Steelhead.  He was trying to sell Guide services in his report.

we agree 100%, Wash

but I "think" he still has guide service available in Pa and NY too, unless something has changed in the last few years


..L.T.A.

Hey that report is last weeks news :) . We did chum up some good knowledge about fish/weather related behavior. Alot of the reports people post are generalized chest thumping.Very few reports offer much fishing information anymore.I find the rapper style reports the most annoying.