Trout Setup

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2007/03/25 20:47:05 (permalink)

Trout Setup

Iv'e been fly fishing for a while now and I would like to begin fishing for trout. Im looking to get a 5 wt setup but was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Looking to spend around 100$ for a reel and mabey up to 200$ for a rod. I was thinking a battenkill bar stock reel and maybe a scott v2 rod. thats just what iv'e been thinking. I would appreciate any input.


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    go-n-fishn
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/25 21:36:44 (permalink)
    Get the best rod you can afford, if your going to skimp do it with the reel. There is nothing worse than fishing all day with a rod thats going to wear you out. If all your going to use it for is trout a reel is nothing more than to hold your line. So invest wisely in your rod.

    There will be days when fishing is better than ones optimistic forecast, others when it is far worse. Either is a gain over just staying home.
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    mgolf92
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 15:29:03 (permalink)
    Ok
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 15:38:33 (permalink)
    I use an Okuma Sierra Fly reel and a Tica TC3 5 wt rod.  Tica makes a sweet rod and the price is around $70 or so.  The reel is decent and I like it, but there are other good ones on the cheap as well.  Send me a PM if you have any questions about the rod.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 17:45:32 (permalink)
    Buy the best rod that you can afford. Also, any good flyshop will allow you to cast their rods with several different lines so you can find what works best for you.
     
    A good friend of mine just bought a st. croix avid 8.5 5wt. Its a pretty sweet rod for around $200. Okuma reels are good for the price, but if you want to spend a little more and get a great quality reel, take a look at a teton tioga. They have a great drag and are very smooth, they sell for around $130.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 19:25:05 (permalink)
    What size water are you planning to fish, small spring creeks, big rivers?

    I like small slow rods on small streams(less then 20-30ft wide) and if I plan to nymph, I always want a slow rod!

    I like med action for most of my dry flies.

    A tip flex is worthless unless you wanna fish lakes.

    I cant say I prefer any rod. We(combined) own two cortlands, one orvis, and one cabelas... I like them all... they ranged in price from $50->$400. We own a multitude of reels from martin, orvis, cortland and pfluger, they to ranged from $30->$100+ and I too like them all, I will have to say the cortland is a large arbor on an 8wt and its so smooth and quiet for $100 reel! Fish Usa has some excellent stuff.

    You wont get to cast it pretty much anywhere but this was my workhorse for 10+years, i used it from steel to spring creek trout.

    Model : 657519 - $100
    Cortland GRX ROD

    They arent selling the reel anymore but this is the closest too it, Id like to mention that this reel is not a click pawl drag which is good. Its disc!
    Pflueger Reel

    Dont forget - Line is EXPENSIVE!
    I suggest if you go with that rod you put a 6wt dt on it to load it a little faster. I have Triangle Taper WF 6wt on mine. One bad thing about a WF line is that you need to get some line out before it starts feeling good.... I use this rod mainly for dries but like I said, I fished it for 10 years!!! NEVER had to send it back for repair :::KNOCKS ON WOOD::: yet, I still fish it too this day sometimes while the $700 orvis sits in the closet!
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/03/26 19:28:24
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 20:31:14 (permalink)
    Jlh,  You're wrong about a tip flex being worthless unless you fish lakes.  There are plenty of larger streams and rivers where a tip flex is beneficial.  Hell, you can use a tip flex anywhere.  It's all in the caster.

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 20:43:07 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Loopy

    Jlh, You're wrong about a tip flex being worthless unless you fish lakes. There are plenty of larger streams and rivers where a tip flex is beneficial. Hell, you can use a tip flex anywhere. It's all in the caster.


    You are correct, but to me it sounds like he wants somthing to serve all purposes of trout fishing. If hes just getting into buying a trout rod he isnt gonna be casting 80ft.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/26 23:21:56 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    ORIGINAL: Loopy

    Jlh, You're wrong about a tip flex being worthless unless you fish lakes. There are plenty of larger streams and rivers where a tip flex is beneficial. Hell, you can use a tip flex anywhere. It's all in the caster.


    You are correct, but to me it sounds like he wants somthing to serve all purposes of trout fishing. If hes just getting into buying a trout rod he isnt gonna be casting 80ft.

     
    He might be.  I think he's from the Erie area, and if he wants to fish Oil Creek which is a very popular creek to fish, a tip flex rod during a windy day down there will help anyone from newbie to expert.  I guess I'm just arguing for the tip flex cuz I've got a T3 tf9.5 that I love. 
     
    Btw, tell me more about this 700 dollar Orvis that sits in the closet.  Do you have the new Zero Gravity?

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 00:14:04 (permalink)
    mgolf--
     
    The best advice anyone could give you is to go cast go cast go cast.  If you know you casting stroke, just let the shop know you are looking for a rod with X action, under $X.  Cast them all.  A rod that fits you well will save you money in the long run.  As mentioned above, a trout reel serves no purpose other than storage, generally.  You certainly don't want a reel that's going to weigh your rod butt down.  You can't beat a Ross reel IMO.  Their flywater, flystart, flycast reels are cheap, look great, and I'd imagine reasonably light for their price.  Here's a link:
     
    http://www.rossreels.com/images/news_articles/pdf/2007%20February%20Website%20Newsletter4.pdf
     
    I have Triangle taper on all my reels but one.  Can't see spending $60 on another line to find how it's not as good as TT.  The only disadvantage to TT is if you are fishing very small streams or throwing very large flies (this would not apply to a 5 wt)  ..  the front taper is long and rollcasting on tiny streams can be difficult in terms of accuracy.  I would suggest scientific anglers ultra 4 for tiny streams.  For my 8 and 9 wt. TT .. I cut some of the taper off, especially on the 9 to turn over large flies.  Since distance is not important for a tiny stream trout rod .. I'd only go for SA U 4, it'll save you $15 or so.  Otherwise, TT is hard to beat.  A 5 line TT lays down like a 3 line.  That's good stuff!!!! for throwing a dry fly.
     
    best of luck..
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 00:39:25 (permalink)
    Good call on the Ross reels SilverKype.  Our local shop has them, and they are fantastic for the price.  I can't believe Ross sells them that cheap.  Oh yeah, and it's a Ross.

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 07:30:54 (permalink)
    Its a superfine, you add the rod+reel+line+tax roughly $700

    Of course a couple months ago, if anyone would have jumped on the opportunity presented, you could have owned the rod for $245 which was a steal!
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/03/27 07:35:00
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 10:15:28 (permalink)
    Hey golf, not sure if you saw this or not in the Fish USA shop, I was looking at the clearance section and came across this:
     
    http://www.fishusa.com/tackleshop/catalog_product.asp?ProductFamilyID=%7B9B57C731%2D4854%2D493A%2DA25F%2D90A3D50BA1F9%7D&i=0GLET6R1RLMW8KT2K3CQV2R50463FXP2
     
    Not a bad deal since it has everything.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 10:21:17 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    Its a superfine, you add the rod+reel+line+tax roughly $700

    Of course a couple months ago, if anyone would have jumped on the opportunity presented, you could have owned the rod for $245 which was a steal!


     
    A very quality rod that Superfine.  I should have jumped on the 7 foot 3 weight the local shop had for $200.  They are definitely the slowest of the slow.  A CFO would look real nice on a Superfine.  It's too bad they reissued them at over 400 bucks.  Bad move I think.

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 11:18:34 (permalink)
    I think the price is rediculas for the new series. I saw in the newest catalog that came out they are offering a mid flex as well as a tip flex superfine! A tip flex superfine? why not just buy a t3 or somthing, that makes no sense at all!
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 15:14:03 (permalink)
    Tip flex rods do have their place. I have a few myself, but dont fish them often. In my opinion, fast rods do not protect light tippet and do not turn over short casts well. It confuses me why orvis would want to market a tip flex superfine.
     
    As far as CFO's, if you are going to spend $400 on a reel, buy a Hardy, they are much nicer.
    post edited by thedrake - 2007/03/27 15:27:20
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 15:18:35 (permalink)
    I will most likely be fishing the Allegheny River and Oil Creek.  I like a faster rod, I think a medium fast would be appropriate.  As long as the tip is soft enough to protect light tippets I'll be pleased.  I think for my application a medium fast rod will be most beneficial.  I know line is expensive...I like the Wulff Triangle Taper Lines, but I'm also a fan or Rion Trout Lines, once I get the rod and reel, I'll cast some lines with it.  For reels im narrrowd down to Ross, Orvis, and Teton.  I'll look at a few.  I like a more classsic proflie reel and these companies offer these, along with smooth drags.  Thanks everyone.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 16:17:54 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: thedrake

    Tip flex rods do have their place. I have a few myself, but dont fish them often. In my opinion, fast rods do not protect light tippet and do not turn over short casts well. It confuses me why orvis would want to market a tip flex superfine.

    As far as CFO's, if you are going to spend $400 on a reel, buy a Hardy, they are much nicer.

     
    The CFO disc drags are under 200 bucks.

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 17:12:04 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Loopy

    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    Its a superfine, you add the rod+reel+line+tax roughly $700

    Of course a couple months ago, if anyone would have jumped on the opportunity presented, you could have owned the rod for $245 which was a steal!



    A very quality rod that Superfine.  I should have jumped on the 7 foot 3 weight the local shop had for $200.  They are definitely the slowest of the slow.  A CFO would look real nice on a Superfine.  It's too bad they reissued them at over 400 bucks.  Bad move I think.

     
    I thought you were refering to the CFO being over $400. My mistake
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 17:29:15 (permalink)


    I thought you were referring to the CFO being over $400. My mistake



    Actually, They did reissue a CFO for over $450.
    It was one of the Orvis 150th Anniversary items they were pushing.
    So, even when you think you're wrong, you're right. Wow...
    post edited by dano - 2007/03/27 17:30:46

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 18:02:07 (permalink)
    MGOLF92,
    You got some good advice here. And I agree. Put more money into the rod than the reel.
    Sage makes a nice smooth casting Launch Series rod for about or maybe even under $200.
     For a tad more than 200 and if you like fast, they have the Fli fods.
    You Can probably get both, a closeout Ross Flycast and a Sage Fli 9ft. 5wt. for under $300.
     
     

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/27 19:36:28 (permalink)
    Dano-
     
    I have a sage launch 9wt and I like it alot.  It's quick enough for me, but I am also looking into a FLi.
     
    Anad-
     
    I'm not planning to overweight a line.  I never have a problem casting with the appropraite line, and I find one over to be heavy and awkward.
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/30 11:43:57 (permalink)
    You mean my old browning glass rod is outdated? lol
     
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/03/31 18:42:52 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Mikastorm

    You mean my old browning glass rod is outdated? lol


     
     Yes it is and if you ever want to get rid of it, let me know.
     I picked up and old Garcia/Conolon 6ft-5wt.  a few years ago and just love it for fishing the small ANF streams.
    It had the old silk line designation of HEH written on it instead of the modern plastic line designation. The HEH pretty much is a double taper 5 weight but I fish it with a 4wt line.
     Some of those old glass rods were pretty darn good and some I've cast were surprisingly powerful.   
     

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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/04/01 11:38:11 (permalink)
    Ya, it handles the steals real well. its an 8wt with the heh line. Also have a browning pack rod in an aluminum case. Kept it in my tour pack on my bike. Ready to fish anytime!
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    RE: Trout Setup 2007/04/03 19:34:44 (permalink)
    I ended up buying a Ross Flywater and a St. Croix Avid 9' 5wt.  I am extremely pleased.  The reel is beautiful, smooth and light.  It's a sweet little rod, but it's got some power to it.  I can throw out some serious line with it.  I haven't bought a nice line yet, I have a cheap SA on there now.  In an attempt to be objective, I am disappointed with the real seat of the rod.  It is cheap and unattractive.  Overall great rod and setup.  Thanks for all your help guys.
     
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