Pymatuming FYI

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08226/903928-100.stm
 
I can see cracking down on littering, but bread making the carp/ducks unhealthy? Really.

does this also mean that we can't float bread as bait when fishing for carp?

ORIGINAL: mgolf92

The bread just makes the animals less wild because they begin to depend on humans for survival.

That can't be it because they still allow people to feed the animals, just not bread.  They will continue to have the pellet stands there.    I think the litter from empty bread bags coupled with poor nutrition content are bread is the problems.

ORIGINAL: mgolf92

The bread just makes the animals less wild because they begin to depend on humans for survival.

jmo but the animals depending on the bread feeds the local businesses.

besides that, when the season is over the animals/fish are rarely seen. hasnt been a problem for how many years, and now they want to change a good thing? if it wasnt for the carp/hatchery/waterfowl museum, linesville and the surrounding areas would be a ghost town.

how much you wanna bet some family member of a PA Trout and Boat Gestapo bigshot owns a pellet making facility

Ohhhhh, i get it. The bread is why the walleye fishing has declined...... Is that what they're saying?

ORIGINAL: bluntman

how much you wanna bet some family member of a PA Trout and Boat Gestapo bigshot owns a pellet making facility

commander buying stock in pellet making good luck to him and the gestapo

now we're starting to get to the problem!!  okay so it's obvious that the issue is with bread and carp.  Bread is very nutrient rich, and when it dissolves in the water it effects the water's composition.  But even greater than that is the amount of nutrients in the carp's waste that it can't break down farther.  So this being in the spillway of the dam that adds water into the lake, it's basically spreading this waste throughout the lake, effecting water quality of the entire lake??  And what happened to Big Spring Creek when the PAFBC released the fish waste from the hatchery into the stream?  Those fish ate pellets I believe, and not bread.  They wiped the whole stream out.  Aquatic insects and all.  So is this what we believe they're getting at?  or is it just an attempt to make these carp believe bread is bad for their low-carb diets??

thanks storm for the explanation...  and as we all speculated look at the new numbers for the spring walleye trap net survey, numbers down, sizes up.

ORIGINAL: peacymike

ORIGINAL: bluntman

how much you wanna bet some family member of a PA Trout and Boat Gestapo bigshot owns a pellet making facility

commander buying stock in pellet making good luck to him and the gestapo

 
 
i have stock in oil companies. dont need pellet stock. oil stocks will be good since gas will be needed to deliver pellets to the spillway.

ORIGINAL: dealinsteel

thanks storm for the explanation...  and as we all speculated look at the new numbers for the spring walleye trap net survey, numbers down, sizes up.

 
The old man would be proud, maybe my bio degree is good for something.  LOL.
 
I think that goes back to the whole Alewife issue.  Adult Alewife prey on young of the year perch and walleye.  Can you blame them???  The OVER abundance of Alewife are predating the crap out of the stocked 'eye babies...
 
IT CAN be rectified, if they would stock mid-size hybrids to eat the crap out of the Alewife and get them back into reasonable numbers.  Once they are, quit stocking the hybrids, they are sterile and can't reproduce and will eventually not compete with 'eyes.  The idea of Alewife as forage for the 'eyes has definitely backfired.  I think maybe Blueback herring may be a better idea.  Have you seen some of the fantastic bass fisheries created in the mid south with bluebacks as the introduced forage???  Unreal.  Herring don't eat baby 'eyes and perch...
 
I did catch a 14 3/4"er in early June though.  Hope that is a good sign or I got the only undersized 'eye left...

beerman,why do you disagree with this.just your thoughts.

walleye fishing and carp crap have had nothing to do with each other for 40+ years or however long people have been feeding carp bread in Linesville. those carp see bread approx. 6 months a year, not the other 6 months. the lake has been producing forever and other species are thriving in that lake. somebody(most likely a fisheries biologist that wont admit it)screwed up with the walleye dealio, whether it be alewife or whatever caused it. i'm sure McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, whatever other crap we eat etc..., is worse than some bread for some carp/geese 6 months a year. has the state contacted or subcontracted anybody else  to look into the walleye problem. after approx. 10 years or so of swinging and missing, it may be time to find some new biologists.

Sorry gentlemen if it seems like I jumped around a bit. Maybe I can clear things up.
 
First off, I thought the thread was about not feeding the carp, ducks, geese or whatever, bread. I don't agree that fish pellets are the answer (I don't believe the conspiracy theries either about somebody in the fish and boat comm. with ties to fish pellet ind.? I hope someone was kidding) either. As I understood it, it had a lot to do about the amount of litter from all the bread, roll, etc plastic bags and such ( although I'm wondering what they'll put the fish pellets in?) being thrown around. Anything that would help with the garbage would be a good thing wouldn't it? Once again though, I'm not sure that's the answer.
 
Second,  I think people are misunderstanding the "pollution" part of this. It's not the type of pollutants like mercury, PCB or others that are polluting Pymatuning ( I'm not sure I'd eat too many fish from the three rivers area around Pittsburgh but I'll eat crappies and walleyes from Pymy any day). At least not from the bread anyway. It nutrient loading with Phosphorus and Nitrogen (and remember, the pellets have a higher concentration of these than the bread!- that's why I'm not a big fan of this change anyway). These aren't necessarily bad, living things need them (it's in fertilizers), but the amount that is put into the lake is the problem. and many years it isn't a problem except hot dry summers when you can create low O2 levels from the crash from algal blooms. You'll never get anything close to total dieoffs of fish in Pymy because of it's size and it has an outlet to flush them away so to speak (small farm ponds that may stop releasing water at an overflow when it's dry are the cases where you can get total fish kills in late summer).
 
Third, people say," Hey, this has been going on for years and nothings been a problem so why change things now. Well, that certainly could be true, but just for thought, farms in the Chesapeake Bay watershed have been fertilizing fields for many many years.......and look at the problems that the bay has today with nutrient loading (check out the Chesapeake Bay Foundation's web site if you haven't already read it in the news). Could it start to be more of a factor in Pymy? Maybe.... maybe not.
 
I never said that the walleye decline was the direct result of bread in the water. I know the two have been fine for years.
 
Now, getting off topic and into what this seems to be turning into........
 
Something's not right with the young walleye survival and I hope it gets fixed. Once again, I don't think it's a big conspiracy by the PFBC (cripes, it's starting to sound similar to the deer wars and the hate for the PGC). They're not happy about it, I'm not happy about it and many others aren't either, but I'm not going to start pointing fingers right away until I have more to go on than just opinions and guesses. As far as looking into the problem, Bowling Green Univ. was/has been doing an on going study for the past year or so dealing with the walleye problem. I haven't heard any final conclusions or results from them yet but I and alot of other people are certainly interested.
 
Walleyes can still be caught, but the days of the easier catches are a few years behind us. Will it be like the old days in the future? I don't know, but I'll certainly try to keep up to date on the on going saga and hope for the best. I think we all at least hope for that.
 
Sorry to ramble and I certainly didn't intend to ruffle any feathers. I just wanted to relay some info from field classes that I had since many dealt with Pymy and the surrounding watershed. Good fishing to all. I'll crawl back to my cave now.

I don't care why the rule was put in place.

What bothers me most is that I have a daughter that is 2.5 years old and we have taken her there twice. She absolutely loved the whole throwing bread thing and watching the waterfowl and fish gobble it up.

I just don't see pellets having the same effect