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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 20:36:47
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MyWar
But hey, let’s just trust the Republican billionaires. They’re the ones who are really fighting for the American workers.
what do you suggest?
business people, bureaucrats, union leaders, politicians?
or something other?
^^that's an honest question BTW^^
..KTF
To start, I would suggest individuals or groups whose interests aren’t diametrically to the best interest of the workers.
So the workers themselves, or groups of workers are a pretty obvious example. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what a “group of workers” could be, in practice.
Also, how about legislators or elected officials who have a proven track record of implementing or supporting policies that help workers? That would work for me as well.
Socialist have proven track record of killing the “group of workers” https://www.eagleobserver...ocialism-look-at-the-/
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 21:44:00
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psu_fish
MyWar
genieman77
MyWar
But hey, let’s just trust the Republican billionaires. They’re the ones who are really fighting for the American workers.
what do you suggest?
business people, bureaucrats, union leaders, politicians?
or something other?
^^that's an honest question BTW^^
..KTF
To start, I would suggest individuals or groups whose interests aren’t diametrically to the best interest of the workers.
So the workers themselves, or groups of workers are a pretty obvious example. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what a “group of workers” could be, in practice.
Also, how about legislators or elected officials who have a proven track record of implementing or supporting policies that help workers? That would work for me as well.
Socialist have proven track record of killing the “group of workers”
https://www.eagleobserver...ocialism-look-at-the-/
lol wut? Seriously, is this your idea of an honest, good faith discussion about public policy that actually benefits American workers in 2024? If you just think I’m some dipshiit tankie, you are WAAAY off the mark. Nobody here is suggesting a Marxist revolution. Or maybe you actually believe “bUT STaLiN wAs A bAD guy!!” is a sound argument for gutting unions in the United States in 2024. Nothing in that link you posted is relevant to… anything.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 22:14:08
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BloodyHand
That's what billionaires do? Hoard the money? They don't reinvest it back into the economy? I'd like to know what backyard all those mason jars are buried in.
BH
What *specifically* do you mean “reinvest it back into the economy”?
What *specifically* do you mean " to hoarding as much wealth as possible"? Did you plagerize someone elses statement? Are these even your own words? Do you even know what the definition of Hoarding is? Do you think that Billionaires sit on there money and let it collect dust in a vault? I know you dont believe in capitalism, but do you understand how it works? Do you know that there are safe guards in place to keep billionaires from hoarding? I'm not entertaining this dude anymore, he obviously doesnt have a clue. BH
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 23:02:02
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/01/02 00:54:07
Bruh acts like a political forum on a fishing page is serious stuff 🤣🤣🤣. You just ooze the liberal superiority complex. And thats why you got clowned on election night. Keep punching that air in the name of Elon and the Orange Man
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 23:06:00
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☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2025/01/01 23:55:14
BloodyHand
MyWar
BloodyHand
That's what billionaires do? Hoard the money? They don't reinvest it back into the economy? I'd like to know what backyard all those mason jars are buried in.
BH
What *specifically* do you mean “reinvest it back into the economy”?
What *specifically* do you mean " to hoarding as much wealth as possible"?
Did you plagerize someone elses statement? Are these even your own words? Do you even know what the definition of Hoarding is? Do you think that Billionaires sit on there money and let it collect dust in a vault? I know you dont believe in capitalism, but do you understand how it works? Do you know that there are safe guards in place to keep billionaires from hoarding? I'm not entertaining this dude anymore, he obviously doesnt have a clue.
BH
I would call this hoarding. How about you? https://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
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r3g3
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 00:32:55
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☄ Helpfulby bingsbaits 2025/01/02 06:46:56
Bidens speech to America after the terrorist attacks sure instilled hope and confidence in our leadership to me-
What a great leader we have-
TDS sufferers must have ben soooo proud.
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MyWar
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 09:25:04
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psu_fish
And thats why you got clowned on election night
Oh psu fish, we ALL got clowned on election night you just haven’t realized it yet.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 09:31:08
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No just you Liberal Fools did most Americans feel real good and are still celebrating the winning feels soooooooooogood.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 09:39:30
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/01/02 09:50:45
Some moonbat lib blew himself up in the cybertruck in front of Trump Las Vegas. That ll really show the Orange man (eyeroll). The depths of TDS is unknown.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 09:53:03
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JerryS
I would call this hoarding. How about you?
https://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
Not really hoarding, but definitely did exactly what most predicted they’d do with the cuts. That is why there needs to be some sort of incentivized tax breaks and not across the board. If the hope is for companies to reinvest, tax cuts should be tied to reinvestment. Not just hoping they will do so. Looking at that list, I no doubt “made more” in retirement income than whatever small tax cut I would have seen if going directly to an income tax break. I imagine is the case of most people with retirement investments as well. Most of us with retirement and other investments have a sliver of a fraction of what the billionaires have invested though. Then there are the working class that don’t have retirement or other investments that aren’t seeing anything from this, besides the inflation that it adds. Suckers... So, no doubt of who benefitted the most. Whether it fits the exact definition of hoarding or not. It is how things will be the next 4 years. Better to just play the game and enjoy your share of the cut for now. Likely be very short lived.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 09:56:15
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THIS is Bidens legacy along with that of the progressive liberal mindset and their plans for Americas future as a third world entity. A total lapse of real 3 letter agency efforts paying attention to real issues has been much touted over the years and now has come to its logical end. Shortly they will be trying to transfer this reality to Trump. I cant thank Americans enough to see where we were headed and to have rectified it on election day. Its going to take some time and likely more horror to correct these policies IMHO Now I read where large numbers of the Venezuelan street gang many armed with knives are showing up at the border trying to get in before the 20th---says it all about the far left Biden years.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 11:50:32
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The border is a disaster many criminals and terrorists have entered the solution isn't just deportation most of them have already been deported numerous times and just walk back in. My solution is drop them off at 35000 feet above their country of origin problem solved!!!! W/O parachute of course
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 12:00:01
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Although I dont concur on the shoot downs -lol -it does bring to mind the fact few noticed that the Biden cabal was in fact flying illegals in from other countries for some time before the press noticed it.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 12:00:27
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Porktown
JerryS
I would call this hoarding. How about you?
https://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
Not really hoarding, but definitely did exactly what most predicted they’d do with the cuts.
I think the point is that the surplus equity from tax cuts didn’t get reinvested back in the companies, it didn’t translate to wage growth for the workers, and it didn’t contribute to growth of the US economy since overall economic growth actually slowed during this time. The primary beneficiaries were major shareholders, and average Americans aren’t major shareholders of large corporations. We can argue the details of what “hoarding wealth” actually means, but the evidence of increasing disparity between the rich and the poor is undeniable. Look at income disparities, or the number of people that live paycheck to paycheck, or how financially challenging it is for an average person to buy property… all while we have a class of people (like Elon Musk) who have amassed unprecedented wealth. I mean, would you actually try to argue that US wage and wealth disparity is NOT increasing? I thought this is something that most people left, right and center would all agree on.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 13:16:11
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Porktown
JerryS
I would call this hoarding. How about you?
https://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
Not really hoarding, but definitely did exactly what most predicted they’d do with the cuts.
That is why there needs to be some sort of incentivized tax breaks and not across the board. If the hope is for companies to reinvest, tax cuts should be tied to reinvestment. Not just hoping they will do so.
Looking at that list, I no doubt “made more” in retirement income than whatever small tax cut I would have seen if going directly to an income tax break. I imagine is the case of most people with retirement investments as well. Most of us with retirement and other investments have a sliver of a fraction of what the billionaires have invested though. Then there are the working class that don’t have retirement or other investments that aren’t seeing anything from this, besides the inflation that it adds. Suckers... So, no doubt of who benefitted the most. Whether it fits the exact definition of hoarding or not. It is how things will be the next 4 years. Better to just play the game and enjoy your share of the cut for now. Likely be very short lived.
On my planet, companies buying back their stock is exactly the definition of reinvesting in the company. Number 1 on the list was Apple, which offers stock to employees through stock options, or through a discounted share price. I'm sure most of the other names on that list offer similar perks. https://www.thehumancapit...yee-benefits-and-perks
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 13:36:29
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I mean, would you actually try to argue that US wage and wealth disparity is NOT increasing? I thought this is something that most people left, right and center would all agree on.
Pretty sure the only thing debatable of what you said is the definition of hoarding… This wage disparity wasn’t seriously challenged with Biden in office or with Obama in office. It won’t likely ever be seriously challenged. You can say it is because the 2/3 majority votes or GOP stopped this or did that. With people like Paul Pelosi and other Dems that clearly benefit in plain sight from it, I’m skeptical at best that the Dems as a whole really want the change either. Don’t get me wrong, some like Bernie I think live by it. For the party as a whole I think it is just a rallying cry that they know will never come to life. Would I like to see it addressed, definitely, but I know it won’t. Just as the GOP rallying cry about freeloaders on the system. Would I like to see every able body working until they can retire (or just not being supported by taxes), definitely. But I know it won’t happen. It is all a game that both parties are in charge of. Regardless of who is president, they will throw a few scraps for the middle class to take advantage of. Neither are looking out for the middle class. Never have been, never will.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 13:43:44
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This wage disparity wasn’t seriously challenged with Biden in office or with Obama in office. It won’t likely ever be seriously challenged.
I agree with 93.287% of your whole post, Pork . The above I'll comment on left or right, the "golden rule" applies The ones with the most gold, rule KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/02 13:58:34
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On my planet, companies buying back their stock is exactly the definition of reinvesting in the company.
Number 1 on the list was Apple, which offers stock to employees through stock options, or through a discounted share price. I'm sure most of the other names on that list offer similar perks.
https://www.thehumancapit...yee-benefits-and-perks
You are correct. I used the incorrect term. The story linked said the money was intended for growth in business, not sure if a term to cover all. Expansion of factories. Buying equipment. Things that were supposed to accelerate business and cause a chain of growth from suppliers and services. I know for certain that many companies did use those tax cuts to help in growth projects. My company for one is going through a major renovation.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/04 13:51:23
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Soros getting a big American medal from Biden makes me wanna puke
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