JerryS
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/29 12:50:24
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Trump as a president candidate:
"The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
Trump as president-elect:
"I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them... I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program."
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 12:28:53
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JerryS
Trump as a president candidate:
"The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
Trump as president-elect:
"I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them... I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program."
Not surprising, is it? This is what happens when you don’t actually believe in anything and everything you do is transactional. Most Trump voters probably won’t care but there is definitely a subset of those hard right nationalist types that loved Trump because he was extremely anti immigrant. Some of those folks will definitely not like this one bit. It definitely points to how Musk’s “tech bro” libertarian streak could cause some tension within the Trump coalition. And now these people have to actually govern, which is a helluva lot harder than being the opposite party.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 13:04:50
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☄ Helpfulby BloodyHand 2024/12/30 20:11:01
This is a made up silly argument--
There have always been legal immigrants and temp workers allowed--Clearly that isnt changing..Its the illegal masses at the border that going to stop- not the normal legal processes that have been there for years.
The left trying to somehow combine the two in an effort to somehow make Trump wrong is just a TDS oriented BS argument.
Nothing but annoying clickbait.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 17:36:53
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JerryS
Trump as a president candidate:
"The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
Trump as president-elect:
"I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them... I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program."
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 17:44:49
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r3g3
This is a made up silly argument
it's just today's polyticz as usual it's the dems turn to play "gotcha, see I told you he's a turd" The Reps had their turn for 4 years of "Biden crime family" and FJB for every perceived ill in the world on the H-1, Trump has to own his past rhetoric..(his mouth is most of what makes him a dikbrain) and truth is, Musk is prob'ly right If you want America to be world class leader in tech, you need world class people. His pro-sports team analogy of signing the best the "world" has to offer, is valid imHo. Import the "brightest and best" super geeks, be they Asian, Indian, or European speaking of...that reminds me if you're an America when entering restroom, what are you while standing at the urinal? YOUR-A-PEEIN' KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 18:06:06
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r3g3
and truth is, Musk is prob'ly right
If you want America to be world class leader in tech, you need world class people.
His pro-sports team analogy of signing the best the "world" has to offer, is valid imHo.
Import the "brightest and best" super geeks, be they Asian, Indian, or European
Yes he's right, there absolutely has to be a legal way for people to come here and work for high end, low end, middle end jobs of all sorts that Americans can't staff, don't want, can't do...whatever... his tirade on X about "people f-ing themselves in the face" tho is just a prime example of what our leaders and role models in gov have become...zero respect, zero character...don't come whining about "kids these days" when that is who we prop up. Wonder what Elon is in it for? Why would the wealthiest man in the world donate his time for these endeavors? Who's to say...
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 19:06:02
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Why not have a contract for any foreign students taking a spot from an American student at any high level institution, like MIT, Stanford, Harvard, etc. to be required to work in the US for four years? Sort of like the military academies do for their athletes.
Having immigrant workers visas to work on golf properties and billionaire resorts is the same thing…. 😃😃😃
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 19:47:44
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Why would the wealthiest man in the world donate his time for these endeavors? Who's to say...
I donno, El Dee-Dee But I'll not be influenced by what bitter cynics have to say what drives any self made billionaire, be it Gates, Bezos, Musk, Zuck, Buffet etc to go to work everyday and not kick back and work on their tan? KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 20:17:37
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When you're Musk and have Billions of dollars, what else is left? I'm thinking the challenge.
BH
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/30 20:27:57
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☄ Helpfulby genieman77 2024/12/30 20:45:06
Musk said in an interview in early November that his entrance into politics was fueled by the vow he made to himself to do whatever he could to destroy what he calls the woke mind virus that he says destroyed his son.
Probably also a desire to further enrich himself and have more influence, but that’s the only specific reason I’ve ever heard him give.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 09:03:28
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genieman77
and truth is, Musk is prob'ly right
If you want America to be world class leader in tech, you need world class people.
His pro-sports team analogy of signing the best the "world" has to offer, is valid imHo.
Import the "brightest and best" super geeks, be they Asian, Indian, or European
Why the flip-flop? A few weeks ago you stated you were ok with tariffs increasing inflation if the result was more U.S. jobs. You said something like, "I'm willing to pay higher prices in return for jobs for my kids and grandkids." Now you are ok with H-1B visas taking U.S. jobs?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 09:15:19
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Musk said in an interview in early November that his entrance into politics was fueled by the vow he made to himself to do whatever he could to destroy what he calls the woke mind virus that he says destroyed his son.
Yea he couldn’t deal with his kid being trans. Also, by her account, he is a pretty shiitty dad. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna163665Beyond that tho, I’m sure musk is drawn to the Republican Party for the same primary reasons that all the other billionaires and tech bros are - low taxes, deregulation of whatever industry they are making their money in, basically the removal of any barriers to hoarding as much wealth as possible.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 09:45:26
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r3g3
This is a made up silly argument--
It’s definitely not. Within the immigration debate this is a big topic. It really is a complete 180 from where Trump was on H1B visas during his first term. And whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a hardline nationalist portion of Trump supporters that is opposed to any and all immigration, period. When they say things like “come here legally” that means placing as many legal immigration barriers as possible, so that any immigration to the US is virtually impossible. I guarantee that people like Stephen Miller are not happy about this, and he is going to be the one actually writing policy details not musk.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 11:01:16
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JerryS
Why the flip-flop? A few weeks ago you stated you were ok with tariffs increasing inflation if the result was more U.S. jobs. You said something like, "I'm willing to pay higher prices in return for jobs for my kids and grandkids."
Now you are ok with H-1B visas taking U.S. jobs?
no flip flop, Jer You just assume wrongly I'm anti immigration because I want more manufacturing in our country? More manufacturing here makes us stronger as a nation and less vulnerable to supply chain disruptions. tariffs have nothing to do with the lack of Brainiacs to staff tech wiz positions. (or roof houses) .KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 12:00:30
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☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2024/12/31 18:20:10
genieman77
JerryS
Why the flip-flop? A few weeks ago you stated you were ok with tariffs increasing inflation if the result was more U.S. jobs. You said something like, "I'm willing to pay higher prices in return for jobs for my kids and grandkids."
Now you are ok with H-1B visas taking U.S. jobs?
no flip flop, Jer
You just assume wrongly I'm anti immigration because I want more manufacturing in our country?
More manufacturing here makes us stronger as a nation and less vulnerable to supply chain disruptions.
tariffs have nothing to do with the lack of Brainiacs to staff tech wiz positions. (or roof houses)
.KTF
Did not assume wrong. Per your words, you are against exporting U.S. jobs overseas, but have no problem importing overseas workers to take U.S. jobs here. I had argued overseas labor makes our U.S. companies more sustainable and you accused me of favoring corporate greed over American workers. Now you are all for using foreign labor (H-1B) to benefit the evil-capitalists.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 12:58:35
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sorry bout that - headline made something from days ago sound like night now
post edited by r3g3 - 2024/12/31 13:02:48
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 15:33:00
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/12/31 15:57:45
JerryS
Did not assume wrong. Per your words, you are against exporting U.S. jobs overseas, but have no problem importing overseas workers to take U.S. jobs here. how did you stretch my disdain for EXPORTING U.S. jobs over seas for having no problem importing labor to "take" American workers jobs? 4.2% unemployment rate is pretty much full capacity employment ('cause 4% of the genpop you can't make work) There are "people shortages" in many sectors. and it will only get worse, as Americans are having less kids Immigration is necessary and fact of life JerryS
I had argued overseas labor makes our U.S. companies more sustainable and you accused me of favoring corporate greed over American workers. Now you are all for using foreign labor (H-1B) to benefit the evil-capitalists.
outsourcing manufacturing to overseas labor does favor Big Corp greed at the expense of US jobs. the top 10% are the ones that benefit the mo$t by that. The rest get the crumbs from the table for your 401k as far as "all for" as you choose to characterize it, I'm good with immigration of highly skilled, highly educated folks. I'm good with entry laborer types too. there needs to be controls based on needs, mind you What I'm opposed to, are bringing in masses of unskilled peasants that burden fed, state and local social system budgets beyond what those masses can contribute back I hope that helps you understand how your logic errs and clears up my position that you mischaracterize to fit your assumptions ,,KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 16:31:58
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☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2024/12/31 18:22:19
genieman77
4.2% unemployment rate is pretty much full capacity employment ('cause 4% of the genpop you can't make work)
There are "people shortages" in many sectors.
and it will only get worse, as Americans are having less kids
Immigration is necessary and fact of life
You're just talking in circles now. If we are at full capacity employment, who is going to work the returning manufacturing jobs you say will happen with tariffs?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 16:41:20
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I still eagerly await Trumps tax reforms promised often on the campaign trail. Not that they will affect me so much as a retiree but for my kids and grandkids future incomes and expendable cash. Taxes on tips--OT and other income were mentioned even gross tax on police and fire wages. We will see. No tax on SS would have some effect on the wife and I but not a real game changer like some of those for younger people. Recent bi partisan SS change for public employees could hit at home as I took more than a 50% cut of the base amount as a PO. Jurys still out on that as predictions dont always come up to reality in fed rules and laws and Biden has yet to sign it so the numbers wont be in for many months IMHO
post edited by r3g3 - 2024/12/31 16:49:43
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 17:26:25
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Pretty sure those are just false promises to get votes. Nothing new in politics. For example... "Read my lips, no new taxes" It works for them even though they know it is not a reality. People that make less than $25,000 on S.S. don't pay taxes on it anyways if that is all they report. Many people that voted thinking it was so great don't realize it wouldn't effect them, " I won with the poorly educated, I love the poorly educated" The SSFA will help out many and their spouses... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUfJv08Iwo
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/12/31 18:14:38
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JerryS
You're just talking in circles now. If we are at full capacity employment, who is going to work the returning manufacturing jobs you say will happen with tariffs?
Jerry, you're obviously not paying attention to a word i have to say and want to make chit up Have a nice day .KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 06:24:05
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/01/01 11:46:57
1/1/2025..
Hey all you TDS infected melon heads!!!!!!
DONALD J TRUMP is your President fort the next four years and all you whiney little bastards can do is whine some more... LOL..
What kind of cheese do you want with that this year.
This is going to be GREAT..
Liberal tears in my cofee for four more years... SWEET!!
No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot... Mark Twain
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 10:12:51
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/01/01 11:45:41
MyWar
snagr
Musk said in an interview in early November that his entrance into politics was fueled by the vow he made to himself to do whatever he could to destroy what he calls the woke mind virus that he says destroyed his son.
Yea he couldn’t deal with his kid being trans. Also, by her account, he is a pretty shiitty dad.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna163665
Beyond that tho, I’m sure musk is drawn to the Republican Party for the same primary reasons that all the other billionaires and tech bros are - low taxes, deregulation of whatever industry they are making their money in, basically the removal of any barriers to hoarding as much wealth as possible.
That's what billionaires do? Hoard the money? They don't reinvest it back into the economy? I'd like to know what backyard all those mason jars are buried in. BH
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 10:46:30
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That's what billionaires do? Hoard the money? They don't reinvest it back into the economy? I'd like to know what backyard all those mason jars are buried in.
BH
What *specifically* do you mean “reinvest it back into the economy”?
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/01/01 11:06:43
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How about this? Tesla laid off about 15,000 US workers earlier this year. While they were doing so they applied for about 2,000 H1B visas. https://electrek.co/2024/...musk-want-to-increase/A lot of people would look at that and say that they were replacing American jobs with foreign workers, and I’m not sure I would argue with that characterization. Musk had publicly stated on Twitter that he thinks American workers are lazy. And H1B visas put the foreign workers under firm control of their employer, because all the employer has to do is threaten to deport them if they don’t work longer hours or work under terrible conditions. But hey, let’s just trust the Republican billionaires. They’re the ones who are really fighting for the American workers.
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