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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 10:33:17 (permalink)
Trump has brought in 2 of the greatest business people to make suggestions on where to cut Govt spending and still get the job done.
This has terrified tax and spend politicians from across the board who talk about the debt but do nothing to lower it.
Pundits and TDS people out there doing handstands and tons of moon howling over this--The more they shout the more I believe he is doing the right thing.
TRYING to get it done where no one else has done crap other than BS about it.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 10:49:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby genieman77 2024/12/27 13:55:25

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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 12:07:24 (permalink)
Another Harris quote ??
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 12:57:14 (permalink)
 Don't you believe me?? Had to look at the picture on the box to help but still got'er done.
 
 My 5 year old G.S. figured out the formula for a   in no time on Christmas day.
 
  Pretty sure a high school kid could figure out how to cut unneeded waste $$ for the Government.
 
 When I worked for the U.S. Department of Labor and would take quotes/bids off the FAQs machine from contractors I would just laugh and shake my head.
 
  
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 14:12:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/12/27 18:02:54
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  Pretty sure a high school kid could figure out how to cut unneeded waste $$ for the Government.
 
 When I worked for the U.S. Department of Labor and would take quotes/bids off the FAQs machine from contractors I would just laugh and shake my head.
 
  





 
for the last 6 years, I've been  an inspector/project manager/spec writer (all three are part of my responsibilities)  for a non profit development Co that fed, state and local gov pays us to administer their HUD money programs 
the amount of paperwork involved for us (and contractors) is obnoxious .
On my end, a simple little chittin' $15k job has a 5" thick binder full of paperwork that gets audited by the state every year 
 
Gov work is FAR more cumbersome compared to private system.
The PITA factor adds costs to gov funded work 
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 14:36:47 (permalink)
 Bad thing is some of the work being contracted out was still under warranty and should've been covered free of charge.  
 
 Heck, Some of the jobs a crew of 3 - 4 could do in three days and the bids would be outrages. I knew what the materials would cost. Just trying to get over on the Stupid Government.
 
  On a side note PORK is on sale this week. Have to go cutup/wrap 125 lbs. now.   
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 14:50:34 (permalink)
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I know, you'll blame the GOP for this, but again who had majority in both chambers and who was sitting at the White House? But now Elon is the problem 


You have got to be kidding.

Are you really gonna try to play this game and say Democrats are just as bad because (again) schumer couldn’t turn water into wine and get this through the senate when he could not afford to lose a SINGLE VOTE?? It’s the democrats fault that there was a razor thin margin in the senate and Schumer can’t perform miracles? Is that it?

Remember, this was December 2022, before Fetterman won his seat, so the senate was tied 50/50, with Harris the tie breaking vote. And it’s right in the article you linked - Manchin and McConnell killed it.

BTW if you want to throw Republican lite Joe manchin in with Elmo and Trump as “part of the problem”, I have no problem with that.

But not ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the senate would support this. What do you think about that? Not one! What does that say about the priorities of the Republican caucus in the senate?

The Democrats tried and failed, yep, that is true. But they failed BECAUSE of republicans. ALL OF THEM.

Also, it’s noteworthy that this stalled in the senate and not the house, which means the funding did actually get through the house.

Look dude, if this kind of flimsy logic is really how you rationalize your support of a morally bankrupt political party then hey, do whatever you need to do in order to sleep at night. But you are not going to convince any objective, rational person that democrats in Congress are the reason this funding can’t get passed.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 15:02:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/12/27 18:04:48
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psu_fish

 
I know, you'll blame the GOP for this, but again who had majority in both chambers and who was sitting at the White House? But now Elon is the problem 


You have got to be kidding.

Are you really gonna try to play this game and say Democrats are just as bad because (again) schumer couldn’t turn water into wine and get this through the senate when he could not afford to lose a SINGLE VOTE?? It’s the democrats fault that there was a razor thin margin in the senate and Schumer can’t perform miracles? Is that it?

Remember, this was December 2022, before Fetterman won his seat, so the senate was tied 50/50, with Harris the tie breaking vote. And it’s right in the article you linked - Manchin and McConnell killed it.

BTW if you want to throw Republican lite Joe manchin in with Elmo and Trump as “part of the problem”, I have no problem with that.

But not ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the senate would support this. What do you think about that? Not one! What does that say about the priorities of the Republican caucus in the senate?

The Democrats tried and failed, yep, that is true. But they failed BECAUSE of republicans. ALL OF THEM.

Also, it’s noteworthy that this stalled in the senate and not the house, which means the funding did actually get through the house.

Look dude, if this kind of flimsy logic is really how you rationalize your support of a morally bankrupt political party then hey, do whatever you need to do in order to sleep at night. But you are not going to convince any objective, rational person that democrats in Congress are the reason this funding can’t get passed.



 
You really dont like being called out.....perhaps you should stick with Bluesky Social LMAO.
 
 
DEMS were the majority in both chambers and held the Presidency/VP. If they really cared about 9/11 funding, they could have done so. 
 
Reconciliation Bills only need a 50 votes to pass...well guess who had that in the bag? You can take one guess 
 
CRY/MORE 
 
 
post edited by psu_fish - 2024/12/27 15:19:46
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 15:55:08 (permalink)
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for the last 6 years, I've been  an inspector/project manager/spec writer (all three are part of my responsibilities)  for a non profit development Co that fed, state and local gov pays us to administer their HUD money programs 
the amount of paperwork involved for us (and contractors) is obnoxious .
On my end, a simple little chittin' $15k job has a 5" thick binder full of paperwork that gets audited by the state every year 
 
Gov work is FAR more cumbersome compared to private system.
The PITA factor adds costs to gov funded work 
 
 
..KTF
 

I do similar with many being multi $M projects. When you are a contractor for a specific agency, you are able to use interagency agreements like MIPRs, which are a fraction of the paperwork. The government can transfer funds per agency with very little paperwork. This is why many larger companies have government contractors as part of their business model. It is a ton of paperwork and expense up front to get them on as contractors, but the intent is to cut this waste and time for the agencies. Which I imagine every project has most of the same redundant 5” thick paperwork that should be able to just reuse, but likely can’t.

Btw, I have been doing it in different roles for 27 years (in a few days). If a direct DOJ employee, I’d be fully retired and likely double dipping as a contractor now…. So, not only would the government be paying my retirement, but having to hire a replacement and likely paying for a contractor to be part of that team. I haven’t worked with any direct government employees that fully knows how to implement my company’s products and services. Most agencies have teams that are familiar, but more or less representatives for those agencies. Pretty much what the majority of federal contractors do, a link between a company with specific products/services and the government agencies. The company side has more focus on the product/service specs. The government side on their needs/requirements.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 16:10:34 (permalink)
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Pundits and TDS people out there doing handstands and tons of moon howling over this--The more they shout the more I believe he is doing the right thing.
TRYING to get it done where no one else has done crap other than BS about it.


Because “we need to cut government waste” is a blanket statement that lots of people agree with, until you start talking specifics.

And if you really want to plug budget deficits and make a dent in the national debt then you need to make drastic cuts to things like social security and Medicare. There is no other way. Everything else is just chipping away at the margins.

Also, this idea that “Elon Musk makes people that I don’t like angry, therefore Elon Musk must be right” is extremely flawed logic (and that’s putting it gently). The things he says and does should be judged on their own merit, and although he’s proven that he is extremely good at amassing tremendous amounts of personal wealth and promoting his own personal brand, I’m not sure he’s proven much of anything else.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 16:32:24 (permalink)
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psu_fish


I know, you'll blame the GOP for this, but again who had majority in both chambers and who was sitting at the White House? But now Elon is the problem 


You have got to be kidding.

Are you really gonna try to play this game and say Democrats are just as bad because (again) schumer couldn’t turn water into wine and get this through the senate when he could not afford to lose a SINGLE VOTE?? It’s the democrats fault that there was a razor thin margin in the senate and Schumer can’t perform miracles? Is that it?

Remember, this was December 2022, before Fetterman won his seat, so the senate was tied 50/50, with Harris the tie breaking vote. And it’s right in the article you linked - Manchin and McConnell killed it.

BTW if you want to throw Republican lite Joe manchin in with Elmo and Trump as “part of the problem”, I have no problem with that.

But not ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the senate would support this. What do you think about that? Not one! What does that say about the priorities of the Republican caucus in the senate?

The Democrats tried and failed, yep, that is true. But they failed BECAUSE of republicans. ALL OF THEM.

Also, it’s noteworthy that this stalled in the senate and not the house, which means the funding did actually get through the house.

Look dude, if this kind of flimsy logic is really how you rationalize your support of a morally bankrupt political party then hey, do whatever you need to do in order to sleep at night. But you are not going to convince any objective, rational person that democrats in Congress are the reason this funding can’t get passed.



 
You really dont like being called out.....perhaps you should stick with Bluesky Social LMAO.
 
 
DEMS were the majority in both chambers and held the Presidency/VP. If they really cared about 9/11 funding, they could have done so. 
 
Reconciliation Bills only need a 50 votes to pass...well guess who had that in the bag? You can take one guess 
 
CRY/MORE 
 
 


Heres the thing. If you want people to stop “looking down on you” or whatever it was that you were crying about, then stop saying shiit like this.

Because people make the argument you are making when either (1) they don’t understand how the government actually works or (2) they do understand and they are deliberately making a bad faith argument.

So which is it for you?

You fancy yourself as some kind of intellectual conservative? Then don’t try to tell me that a 50/50 senate is any kind real “majority” when the 50th senator is basically the most conservative Democrat in the country (and would probably be a Republican anywhere else for West Virginia), and you need 60 votes to pass anything other budget bills.

It’s a straight up miracle that democrats got ANYTHING through the senate with the razor thin majority they had for Biden’s first two years.

And you also neglected to respond to the point that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN would support this funding. Not a single one.

49 out of 50 democrats

0 out of 50 republicans

That’s the same to you? Or would you rather not talk about that part?
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 17:00:02 (permalink)
And Elon v Trump begins 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 17:48:07 (permalink)
  G. Man,
I delt with the weather assistance program when I was young and bought a fixer upper. The wait was years long and I had most everything finished before they got to me. Would hate to see the people that are older or not experienced in construction waiting that long.
 
 When a few different contractors got approved for the work that was left they were a joke and I told them I will finish what they started.
 
 The Government job I had MOM was the word . It was Gov. property with security gate, no one allowed on without permission. Like Pork said very little red tape involved, not even OSHA.
 
 The old lady went 13 lbs. over on the 125 lbs. of pork I asked for. Was a nice tradition  every year at this time to get out all the deer chunks (80 lb. avg) saved for burger, hot sticks, bologna, sausage and jerky with the pork and go to town with the Hobarts, smoker and dehydrator     
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 17:56:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/12/27 18:08:56
Porktown

I do similar with many being multi $M projects. When you are a contractor for a specific agency, you are able to use interagency agreements like MIPRs, which are a fraction of the paperwork. The government can transfer funds per agency with very little paperwork. This is why many larger companies have government contractors as part of their business model. It is a ton of paperwork and expense up front to get them on as contractors, but the intent is to cut this waste and time for the agencies. Which I imagine every project has most of the same redundant 5” thick paperwork that should be able to just reuse, but likely can’t.





 
we're a $55mil company and do multi-mil projects as well
One we just finished was 36 unit senior living apt building.
Those projects take a year or more before the first shovel hits the dirt.
 
I'm in the single family construction dept.
we're doing chit-ton of lead abatement  right now.
we (my fellow inspector and I) have done $900K worth since Sept 
The state has  over $285mil to spend on lead.
Guess where that funding came from?
It's unspent covid money.
 
Not only are they spending it getting rid of lead based paint in homes, they're giving lead abatement contractors $100k of free grant money.
Tu qualify, they had to have bid on (not win, just bid on) 5 lead abatement jobs in the last year
the four contractors we deal with regularly all got $100K worth of brand new trucks and vans
 
all compliments of too much covid money appropriated that needs spent 
 
KTF
 
 
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:14:30 (permalink)
 Those immigrants were the best workers on the low income housing plan that was done last year where my brother lived at in Butler. He worked with some doing underground communications for a few years and said nobody could keep up or out work them.
 
 If I brought up the word LEAD PAINT when I worked for the Gov.  MOM!!! Was certified for asbestos though.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:14:59 (permalink)
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  G. Man,
I delt with the weather assistance program when I was young and bought a fixer upper. The wait was years long and I had most everything finished before they got to me. Would hate to see the people that are older or not experienced in construction waiting that long.
 
 When a few different contractors got approved for the work that was left they were a joke and I told them I will finish what they started.
 
 
 




 
sounds like CAC (community action council) here.
they do furnaces, hot water heaters and insulation 
 
 I've been in homes behind them
 their contractors are hacks.
It's obvious none pull permits, as their chit wouldn't pass 
 
that chit won't fly with us
we're replacing a failed furnace now in old woman's home  that CAC put in  WRONG 7 years ago
 
.KTF
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:21:55 (permalink)
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 Those immigrants were the best workers 




 
a couple of our general contractors sub southern border folks.
Mostly for roofs.
I've has no problem with them 
 
KTF 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:27:57 (permalink)
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And Elon v Trump begins 




 
nah, that ding dong Laura Lunatic Loomer  will be the jilted Trump lover on this one 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:31:10 (permalink)
 He said they were doing roofs and demolition. He would sit outside and have his entertainment watching 'em and make them Chili  
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:33:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2024/12/27 18:41:01
I also work in the government giveaway sector aka weatherization. The work is commendable and does actually make a difference in people’s lives. but in my 21 years we have become the Navy’s 800.00 hammer with the amount of redundant paperwork, rules and regulation. The only thing that is keeping it from becoming the free for all  is we have to abide by an average job cost.
 
MyWar

Because “we need to cut government waste” is a blanket statement that lots of people agree with, until you start talking specifics.

And if you really want to plug budget deficits and make a dent in the national debt then you need to make drastic cuts to things like social security and Medicare. There is no other way. Everything else is just chipping away at the margins.




The amount of corruption,waste and bad spending in these 2 programs has nothing to do with the seniors it was intended for. It is unbelievable the things and amount of people under the age of 60 get paid for but as soon as there’s talk of cut backs all the talking heads claim grandma is going to loose her monthly check. Fear mongering at its finest but it’s no different than the other side telling us that they’re going turn the kids trangender or some other wild story.
 
You guys need to turn off the tvs and go fishing 
 

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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 18:38:04 (permalink)
Present Dem admin spent over TWO BILLION in COVD money in the past couple of weeks alone.
Tell me again how we cant cut anything but SS and Medicare to save money.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 19:53:57 (permalink)
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we're a $55mil company and do multi-mil projects as well
One we just finished was 36 unit senior living apt building.
Those projects take a year or more before the first shovel hits the dirt.
 
I'm in the single family construction dept.
we're doing chit-ton of lead abatement  right now.
we (my fellow inspector and I) have done $900K worth since Sept 
The state has  over $285mil to spend on lead.
Guess where that funding came from?
It's unspent covid money.
 
Not only are they spending it getting rid of lead based paint in homes, they're giving lead abatement contractors $100k of free grant money.
Tu qualify, they had to have bid on (not win, just bid on) 5 lead abatement jobs in the last year
the four contractors we deal with regularly all got $100K worth of brand new trucks and vans
 
all compliments of too much covid money appropriated that needs spent 
 
KTF
 
 
 
 

Not trying to compare sizes of our junk. But obviously, I knew it would ruffle your feathers knowing mine is YUGE….

I imagine your specific example and thousands similar would not be feasible to go through the federal contractor process. Which is one that is in the talks of cost cutting, and why I brought it up. I’m pretty sure when they review in detail, they might likely call for more federal contractors. Which is about the most Conservative idea anyway, private sector running things better and more efficiently than government, no? But my CEO is on first name basis with Donald from being that level of pay, so I’m no so sure if it is actually more efficient. Regardless, it is pretty well known in our board meetings that we will do well in this transition. Didn’t struggle by any means in the last. Just what happened when billionaire CEO’s play both sides.

Your industry is more on the “applying for federal funds”, technically all are “using federal funds”. But you are talking housing grants and whatever other funding that they are trying to weed out fraud. Same as FSA, NRCS, etc. Which unfortunately the 5” thick paperwork is still having many get through. Like many other subjects here, I don’t know the answer to stopping it. But I assume from your history here, your company is legit and not scamming. It would be nice if there was maybe an 8” thick version that trustworthy companies had to fill out once and covered everything from $1-$Bs and didn’t have to do for every project.

I imagine many of the actual Fed employees that you work with will do more work to not do their job, then actually doing their jobs…. So, do I “think” there is waste to be cut. No, I know there is. I work with those folks daily. But it is rather minimal in larger terms. They could definitely get more efficient employees than 50%, but that is likely everywhere. So, do you take from that 50% of the private sector that actually wants to do beyond bare minimum? For major cuts, just look at a breakdown of spending. Until interest rates drop, it is only DOD, which isn’t going to get cut with the craziness of the world. The rest is putting a pin size bandage on a heart attack.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 19:59:28 (permalink)
"You guys need to turn off the tvs and go fishing" 
 

Making cookies might be fun!
 
 I had fun blasting music earlier while cutting the pork, Hobart grinder/stuffer, Hobart hanging scale, automatic Bizerba and a big freezer paper thingamajig. Missed the deer though 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 20:08:31 (permalink)
I am actually intrigued on the DOGE, whether people read my comments as one of the libs and think I am being sarcastic. Don’t get me wrong, I am a bit skeptical in billionaires that hold government contracts in being fair and transparent. But I do think they will be able to uncover some real areas for efficiency. Will they ruin other areas to provide openings for their own interests is a concern. But at this point, I don’t have much trust in career politicians in being the most efficient either. As long as it isn’t a complete abuse and more wasteful, I’ll chalk it up as politics as usual. Pretty much how I expect it to prevail. But maybe it will surprise me. I’d love to see some of that overwhelming proof of the deep state too.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 20:45:28 (permalink)
Porktown
I imagine many of the actual Fed employees that you work with will do more work to not do their job



 
 
 
most of them are stupid, inept and arbitrary 
in particular, the newer ones 
 
and... you yammer on too much 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 20:55:19 (permalink)
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Present Dem admin spent over TWO BILLION in COVD money in the past couple of weeks alone.
Tell me again how we cant cut anything but SS and Medicare to save money.


The national debt is over $30 trillion. $2 billion is a drop in the bucket.

Non discretionary spending is now close to $4 trillion each year. Go ahead and look it up. Shaving a few billion off the federal budget is going to do absolutely nothing.

And again, during his first term
Trump blew up the national debt by almost $3 trillion in his first 3 years in office. Before covid. Due to reckless spending and massive tax cuts.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 20:56:49 (permalink)
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most of them are stupid, inept and arbitrary 
in particular, the newer ones 
 
and... you yammer on too much 
 
KTF

Yes, I do.

Have you looked at what you have posted in the last week? Kettle, meet black paint.
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Re: Trump 2024 2024/12/27 21:51:31 (permalink)
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I also work in the government giveaway sector aka weatherization. The work is commendable and does actually make a difference in people’s lives. but in my 21 years we have become the Navy’s 800.00 hammer with the amount of redundant paperwork, rules and regulation. The only thing that is keeping it from becoming the free for all  is we have to abide by an average job cost.
 
MyWar

Because “we need to cut government waste” is a blanket statement that lots of people agree with, until you start talking specifics.

And if you really want to plug budget deficits and make a dent in the national debt then you need to make drastic cuts to things like social security and Medicare. There is no other way. Everything else is just chipping away at the margins.




The amount of corruption,waste and bad spending in these 2 programs has nothing to do with the seniors it was intended for. It is unbelievable the things and amount of people under the age of 60 get paid for but as soon as there’s talk of cut backs all the talking heads claim grandma is going to loose her monthly check. Fear mongering at its finest but it’s no different than the other side telling us that they’re going turn the kids trangender or some other wild story.
 
You guys need to turn off the tvs and go fishing 
 


I mean… yea? Again, pretty much everybody is going to agree that the federal government spends too much money on things. This is not a radical idea.

It’s the things that money is spent on is where people disagree.

And go ahead and crunch the numbers. You can not make a dent in the national debt without massive cuts to social security and Medicare.

And that is ESPECIALLY true if the party in power is also planning on massive tax cuts. You just can not have all of those things at once. And you can’t nickel and dime $30 trillion dollars away. It’s just math.
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