r2g2
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spot on- LOVE those guys that keep fishing when someone has one on right near them.
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fichy
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Lucky13 Don't they realize that most of the boat clients now are paying for a 200 yard cab ride to schoolhouse and the barrel and then a nice ride to Pineville? I give them as long as the tax credit lasts, as Tuna says, and then they'll be another Fat F****** Snagger, and the state will take the hit for the bailout. L13
That's true! Randy Jones, George Obrien, and God knows how many others park there regularly. Thing is, now they can just slide across, fish their sports and slide back to the other side and let them go get their gourmet lunch and cocktails , or switch out sports. Just a dry platform to fish from and someone to tie knots . First time I came to the SR in the winter was with one of my millionaire customers. I had taken him out with a friend striper fishing and it was hilarious. He set up a gourmet picnic spread on the bow of my friend's Action Craft right in the middle of a blitz. My friend told him we'd fished together hundreds of hours and he had never even seen me eat.Later that year, I made the mistake of telling him I was going for steelhead and he had me get a guide and take him, too. The guide treated me like a lackey (that's alright- I was the tipper and he got squat!) and made me wade while he kissed the azz of Mr. 7 to 8 figures. He kept whining about his cold feet and set his boots to smoking on the heater at least twice. He never left the boat! I waded the whole day. Tailgrab Jail is perfect for people like this.
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mrkeith
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So Lucky, I suppose you don't use any lead that most likely was purchased in Pa. What a stupid attitude towards us POS guys from PA. I just might stop picking up beer cans and DD coffee cups and start depositing my no deposit bottles and cans on the banks of YOUR river. IMO Canada sucks and I would never spend a dime in their country. I suppose you would be all for a day of the week for New Yorkers fishing only too................sorry for the rant, but this kind of attitude is BS..........
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fichy
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Lucky can defend himself, but he singled out LITTERBUGS from Pa. that bring non-returnables. NOT, someone who either doesn't throw trash or picks it up, like yourself. Thanks for doing it.
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Kieth if you do not leave cans on the river I do not think his post was pointed at you. we are equal opportunity litter bug bashers here. It only takes one or two folks to ruin it. I have seen more than my fair share of non deposit cans on the bank and folks are less likely to take them or pick them up. If you do Thank you. There are plenty of Redneck New yorker locals that are litterbug ****hats too Back to the rotation thing. It all boils down to I you were not fishing the "good seam" would they let you in to rotate if they were there first and hooking up.
The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing. ~Babylonian Proverb
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Once again for me. If I have to be forced into a rotating fishing senerio then I'm done . I would never fish any of those so great rivers that the rich folks do in rotation or beats. I could care less if it were free and if there were the most exotic fish in the world.
Timing a cast on the SR is one thing if it gets busy. Casting then taking 3 steps down in the conga line is another. Not gonna happen and I have heard ( Spey nation ) guys say that's why the SR is not better to fish . Fishes just fine to me,
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bigbear2012
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maybe the spey guys and the sit and rotate guys need to stick to places like the dsr and tail hook jail
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dimebrite2
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I've found most a-holes down in dsr to be Pinners... they lock their spots up not letting anyone in but flee towards your spot if you're hooking up... had it done to me quite a few times... let's face it... litter bugs, greedy hole hoggers who make it hard to time your drift... arrogant fukkerz who think their money spent in the economy a few times of year makes them king... yada yada yada... they come in all shapes sizes and colors...from all different states and countries... I don't think a mandatory rotation would ever work... just like our government... its never gonna work :)
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hot tuna
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Again I have to say, the SR has ALWAYS had crowds.. Thing I noticed over my time is... More boats, longer rods and so called elitist (specialized) fishermen.. True rotation of a run/hole is totally out for my style of fishing, the last words above... If it ever became the mandatory then I would NEVER go back there.. Rotating in and out of a spot is fine with me and I have often offered a seat on the bench if I see someone is struggling.. The days of O'dark thirty to get that prime spot are waning for me.. If anything, I think enforcement should be 1/2 hr before sunrise before anyone is allowed on the banks of the river.. Quite right db, PIGS come in all shapes and sizes..
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"whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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its true that hogs come in all pursuasions, and all sorts of broad brush strokes have been used to paint them also true that fishing is not the savior to the local economy and those that feel entitlement because they spend a few bucks are in the wrong i have no idea how all of the animosity got started, i know of a few stories as to why it continues....but bottom line for me: i am happy and thankful to have the oppertunity to fish what i consider great fish, in a great place usually with great people i have met through the years i also try to be a good neighbor when i am up there, keeping my place up, picking up trash and supporting local buissness guess i'm in the minority for many things, but to me its all about the time on the water and enjoying this great experience while i can still do it
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Sugar Magnolia, blossoms blooming Heads all empty and I don't care Saw my baby down by the river Knew she had to come up soon for air Thanks for that snippet Tuna.
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hot tuna
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bigbear2012 its true that hogs come in all pursuasions, and all sorts of broad brush strokes have been used to paint them also true that fishing is not the savior to the local economy and those that feel entitlement because they spend a few bucks are in the wrong i have no idea how all of the animosity got started, i know of a few stories as to why it continues....but bottom line for me: i am happy and thankful to have the oppertunity to fish what i consider great fish, in a great place usually with great people i have met through the years i also try to be a good neighbor when i am up there, keeping my place up, picking up trash and supporting local buissness guess i'm in the minority for many things, but to me its all about the time on the water and enjoying this great experience while i can still do it
Bottom line right there ..
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r2g2
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Don't worry Tuna- if they ever make a law about rotation it will be adhered to and enforced just like the snagging and litter regs. Besides- most of us here try and find lonely waters anyhow.
post edited by r2g2 - 2013/11/20 11:29:14
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Lucky13
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Certainly there a lot of places where rotation would not work or would not be needed. But where you have half the Drake subscribers on the east coast descending on a piece of water like LFZ, and you have people who think they own the spot all day whether they are fishing or not, it is reasonable to think that some way to share could be developed. On the pocket water in town, it would never work, but it never seems that crowded (I don't need the insanity of September anymore). And it would be dangerous on the right bank of the Genesee in the big hole, you need to be half mountain goat just to get along those rocks, and waders are mainly to keep you dry if it rains. But in a pool like the refrigerator, the alternative is to just keep squeezing more guys along the beach until it is shoulder to shoulder, and that can get very ugly as well. Mr Keith - EXCUUUUUUUUSSSE ME! Western NY is getting posted up as fast as PA, and I know that not all the people coming are from PA, but that is where most of the imports come from here, and NY does not sell non-returnables. And soon there will be nowhere out here to fish except Burt and the Oak, and our little piece of the Genny, which is recently trashed with mainly no refund bottles, cans and energy drink cans, all since the steelhead came on, so you can't blame the salmon fishers, and the urban poor who come down there don't buy craft beers, and they take the cans back to get the nickels. So if it takes high non-resident fees to get me on water on the weekend, keep it a little cleaner without me breaking my back so much for the 30+th year picking up after someone else's kid, and bolster the land acquisition fund, I'm all for it. I don't know the entire story, but there are a lot of tribs, even on the east end, that don't get any plants anymore, possibly because of the lack of access, which may well come from the mess that was left in the past. North Sandy Creek comes immediately to mind, nothing gets stocked there anymore, and at one time that stream was crawling with fish. I lived in PA for a while and the fishers I encountered were straight ahead honest conservationists. We knew that was changing when we met an off duty PA encon officer on the lower river snagging away (it was only legal to snag from Pineville up back then). If you are one of the good guys, hurray, and thanks for appreciating that you have to exercise stewardship regardless of where you are, if only out of self interest (NY does not allow wading between the posted signs, and there are a lot more all the time, and JP's who might not even think about a fishing violation all take trespass quite seriously ). And I'm still using up lead I bought from before the ban, a few bags of BB's last a loooooong time. I have yet to see a loon on the SR (at least the winged kind), and I don't use lead when I am in the 'daks. But I'm sure you switch over to tin as soon as you cross the state line. L13
post edited by Lucky13 - 2013/11/20 13:57:00
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fichy
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Lonely waters..... Bear, you have a great philosophy . If you consider yourself a minority, I want to be an underdog, too. Thanks for everyone's insights. I don't feel as badly now about standing up for my right to fish and not have others' wills imposed upon me. I'll continue to be polite, friendly, and helpful, but don't tell me to get out of a spot that I rightfully have entered to fish.
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muskiemeat
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As I said today to a guy that wanted to rotate. The only thing I'm gonna rotate is your nose to the other side of your face...keep walkin
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muskiemeat As I said today to a guy that wanted to rotate. The only thing I'm gonna rotate is your nose to the other side of your face...keep walkin
Attiutdes on the SR are really good. You ask if there's room , if theres not you move on. This kid come down the hill and starts shouting at us one at a time.. " Are you in the rotation? Are you in the rotation?" Dumbfounded I replied "NO". Then he starts complaining about guys not cooperating and how he fished here the last four days rotating the hole. The only thing I had to add to "No" was "beat it, maybe you shouldn't expect to get in a hole after lunch when we were the ONLY guys here for the last hour" He's actually lucky Meat didnt drown this kid. My take on the whole rotation thing is this.. F! NO. You can't expect guys to give up a drift just because you want them to. Just because you want in to the spot you should've been in all along. Espeically a total stranger. Maybe one day the stranger is gonnna give you something more than the stern "NO!" I gave ya....... AND as always.... Jus say'IN.
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Rotation? Google the Margaree river, NS. Atlantic salmon. They do things right up there. Rotation working on the SR. Never in a million freakin years!
post edited by Plum Bob - 2013/11/26 18:19:30
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pensfan1
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I'm sorry, If guys r in the "sweet spot" good for them. I'm not gonna walk up to em and ask can I rotate in and I dont expect someone to ask me the same.. I dont care where it is. If you wanna rotate, spend the 10grand and go to Nova Scotia.
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I know I told this story before but just so happens I was reading about this guide today discussing rotating. One morning I get to this sweet spot at O'dark thirty. I'm sitting there and just before light I see headlamps coming down the trail. They head straight for me and the guide says " we want to make a movie and would it be ok for his clients to fish " my spot". I told him I been sitting here for awhile waiting for light to fish this spot. I would be glad to rotate ( meaning fish for a little while then rotate) with your clients if they started at the top and fished down for awhile. He said ok . Well I hooked up right away and asked if they wanted to fish here. He said no not yet. Well after catching another he for sure wanted to fish there so I moved to the top. Thing was they did not hook up and didn't want to move after planting there. I fished about an hr and then asked what happened to rotating, his response was once they caught a fish for their movie they would. I left and lost all respect for the guide. Now what brings me back to this thread is on his website he complains that people won't rotate a run/ pool .
Like said, I'm willing to share water and when asked I do and also ask others myself. Simple answer will be yes or no. To make it a mandatory rule , I wish no part of that style of fishing myself and do not wish to fish any water that rule happens.
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Plum Bob
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10 grand to fish Nova Scotia. Hardly. All the salmon rivers in NS. are public water & can be fished without a guide. No expense other than the usual travel, lodging, food, etc.
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troutbum21
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The problem with fishing Nova Scotia or any of the provinces is that they shut down the streams and rivers at a moments notice if the run is low.
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