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moon1284
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2013/09/12 22:41:30 (permalink)

DEC citations

Make sure you know the rules before you fish.  Here is a list of people who didn't, and got tickets. 
http://media.syracuse.com/outdoors/other/R7%20Fine%209-12-13.pdf
post edited by moon1284 - 2013/09/12 22:46:04
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    Lucky13
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 06:58:48 (permalink)
    A lot of those court dates are a while ago.  If this is all that got written, it is a drop in the bucket.
     
    Also interesting in that list is a Randy Jones, listed as using weight more than 4 feet from the bait, and failing to comply with an order from an ECO, back in April.  That could be an interesting story.
     
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    bigbear2012
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 07:30:45 (permalink)
    lol...i'd bet they all have an interesting story

    wishin i was fishin
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 10:01:05 (permalink)
    Really happy to see some 'garbage' citations-keep on keepin on.
     Thanks to the Wardens.
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 10:13:13 (permalink)
      Retired there could never be enough of those. But instead of a fine they sould have to do community service and walk the banks from the black hole to upper fly zone the end of October and pick everything up along the way.
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 11:11:54 (permalink)
    I hope that is n't all that were fined,if it is that would be pathetic.
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 12:27:32 (permalink)
    Speaking of which where has Dr. Jones been? Always liked hearing from him Every now and then...they're even measuring leaders down in douglastons now.
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 13:26:46 (permalink)
    OK-- lemme be absolutely sure on this . Just my pea brain at work over thinking the leader and foul hook thing.
     ONE--
    Generally run about 10 to 12 feet of leader material beyond the fly line.
    Only bout  2 1/2 to 3 feet beyond any weights.
     Am I correct in believing its the 'beyond the weights' that is in question here ??
     Minimum 2 feet max 4 feet-???
      TWO----
       The pea again--
     In regard to the foul hooked fish keeping charges--When not broken off but immediately released ( in my practice not even removed from the water) is playing a foul hooker illegal in and of itself  ??.
        Heck occasionally they are lined so close to the mouth one may THINK they are legit only to get close to observe otherwise.
      Am I correct in thinking somebody was actually KEEPING a foul hooked fish leading to the charge as opposed to playing and immediately releasing it ???
     Looking for reasonable or educated interpretation here not just a cold read of the laws but how are they actually enforced. There can be a difference..
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 13:39:53 (permalink)
    Trevor,I believe it is max. 4' from hook in entire river,there is no minimum as far as I know.In the fly zones you may not have more than 1/8 ounce of weight combined.
    You must immediately release any foul hooked fish,you can land it but must release it.
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 16:40:22 (permalink)
    Ok without digging out the regs.. I'm 99.9% this is correct to my knowledge.
    1. If you bring a foul hooked fish in it must immediately be released.. Meaning NO picture taking.. I was never a big fan of that anyway..
    2. From the first buoy at the mouth upstream, it's a NO more then 4' from the hook with weight..
    3. DSR has their own set of property rules. They require a break in the line as well of at leat NO more then 4'.. The rest of the river (excluding the fly zones) a leader is an option but the weight from hook is standard through out..
    4. The fly zones allow you to have up to 15' of leader after the fly line (no running line) but the 4' weight rule still applies until 5-1, then it's ZERO weight, even sinking leaders or weighted flies.. I find it's not really an advantage to put weight over 2' other then to line fish..
    5. A GUIDE should know better.. Some don't get the reputation of nick names such as : the snaggler, the long liner or the sweeper without just reason.. Thats why it's most important to research your guide prior to hiring..
    Finally:
    Fish USA Forum don't take kindly to self promotion as it's stated in their forum rules.. Reason why many guides don't frequent this site very often..
     
    Hope this helps..

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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 16:58:01 (permalink)
    I do believe I noticed at least one guide's name on that list. 
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 17:32:28 (permalink)
    I read the article that this was linked from here is a snippet
     
    The cases that appear here are cases where the defendant has either pleaded guilty or found guilty after trial. This is not intended to be all-inclusive list of cases handled, but is representative of dispositions received by the Region 7 law enforcement office.

    The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.  ~Babylonian Proverb
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 17:40:21 (permalink)

    Hey Guy's,
    What a pleasant surprise! Looks like I made the morning paper on here :)
    Thats why I ALWAYS come here first for my fishing reports, fun banter, knowledge
    stuff. Thanks for keeping me entertained!
    -
    Guilty as charged for the leader and then thanked the judge. He thanked me
    back. (I even wore a jacket and tie out of respect for the DEC, Judge and
    court system. :)
    -
    I have all of my rods measured at 4 feet. I was in a rush and just pulled it off the spool.
    I asked the DEC officer how much I was over and he said I was 12 inch's over the 4 foot rule. (Guilty as charged!)
    I thanked him for being out here and doing his job, which I am grateful for. He was very polite, through and professional.
    Im still waiting for my D.E.C. hat to arrive in the mail. Boy, wouldn't THAT clear out a pool fast during Salmon Season! ;)
    I'll measure from now on, dont want to get another "DUMMY" ticket :)
    -
    I have a really nice "current guide fishing report" with all the usual trimmings up.
    -
    I used the drift boat on the river on Monday because it was sunny and I knew
    I'd be able to see almost everything. Pretty neat what I saw and the large
    #'s of Salmon visually counted over 3 miles of river with hardly a sole around
    and also "exactly" what type of habitat "most" were in.
    -
    Havent heard anyone post a report off a drift boat in the upper end yet. It's all on the below link if intrested :)
    Best Fish's,
    Randy Jones
    http://www.yankeeangler.com/FishingReport.html
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 17:44:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info guys- figured that was the way things are but also figured  may not be the only one out there who wanted clarifications.
       Just a point to watch for- seems that no matter how tight I clamp down on my little weights they get stuck on the occasional rock and slip down closer to the fly.
       One reason I go a bit over 2 feet. WATCH that distance. Picked up the other day after pulling off a rock and the weight was right down to the fly.
        Gotta watch them cause somebody may be watching you.
     Shortening the lighter line at the end of your setup may help, as many do, and leave a few inches of line off the knot for the weights.
        Personally kinda think I get excessive hang ups with that method though so still put weight right on the  leader.
     Back in the swivel days really liked those little sand filled shoestring kind of weights with the spin rig that snapped right onto the swivel. Still usem now and again on Steel with the Noodle, when I can find them, later in November. Never liked them on the fly rod.
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/09/13 17:54:03
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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 18:39:35 (permalink)
    Now now Randy... It was not the leader that bit you, it was the weight from the hook.. Correct ?
    I will say , you have always been most courteous to me (a past guide) while on the water.. I thank you for that..
     
    We here have become a band of outcasts.. Kind of a regular group that get along well.
    Fish together, discuss the river, disagree on some issues but not so much promote our craft..
    Some , as you know have been here a very long time.. I have seen em' come and seen em' go.. 
    I enjoy all that I read and hope you continue to contribute in such a way..
    Peace & Tuna
     

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    Re: DEC citations 2013/09/13 19:01:02 (permalink)
    Trevor.. as we discussed.. A swing with little weight in these temps/flows will result in very little hang ups..  Keep your fly above the fish and let them come to your fly..
    When the cold water sets in a tight line (high stick) comes more into play.. Hang ups occur as does fouled fish.. aka lined..
    I had very good success using an indicator.. It reduced both when fished properly.. It did however reduce "hook ups" , when fished properly..

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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