HOPE THIS HELPS

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2013/06/24 05:58:20 (permalink)

HOPE THIS HELPS

That time of year again, out on the boat fishing for perch and we start to catch the "junk fish" (anything that isn't a perch).  We all have different names for them and inevitably a minor squabble occurs with "that's a white perch, no it's a silver bass, no they're called a white bass" and on and on. So I decided to channel the ex-taxonomist in me and do a search on these 2 particular fish to find out exactly what they are called.  We all know perch and walleye are related, same Family: Percidae, just different Genus and Species.  What I found interesting though is that the 2 non yellow perch fish that we catch, the white perch and the silver bass, are also related, even more closely than the yellow perch and walleye.  Before I begin, let's throw away the term silver bass. We've all caught them, yes they're silver, and yes they resemble baby striped bass. Their true designation is the White Bass.  These 2 fish, the White Perch and the White Bass, along with the much larger Striped Bass are all in the Family: Moronidae. There's a 4th, the yellow bass, that is only found in the Mississippi, and down south.  Family Moronidae are known as the Temperate Basses.  And all 4 of these fish share the same Genus, but are 4 different species.   Morone americanus (white perch), Morone chrysops (white bass), Morone saxatilis (striped bass), and Morone mississippiensis (yellow bass).  There's a 2nd Genus, but they're European. And here's a little secret, white perch are delicious, been keeping them for several years now.  People around the Chesapeake have their fish fries with them. So there you have it. All that just to say a white perch is a white perch, and what we call a silver bass is actually called a white bass. But being the pedantic****that I am, I had to go on and on and...
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    StevenB
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/24 11:42:35 (permalink)
    Why can't we get more posts like this? Thanks Pike.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/24 17:08:03 (permalink)

     

     
    I'm surprised vermiculations hasn't come up yet...

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/24 17:14:47 (permalink)
    little willy moronidae,
    white perch have no lateral stripes other than the lateral line...white bass have several lateral stripes above the lateral line.  White bass are more of a silver/white color...white perch are a golden brown color.  Also, if you raise the spiny dorsal of a white perch the soft dorsal will also lift up...on a white bass, the soft dorsal and spiny dorsal are independent.

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/24 17:47:44 (permalink)
    Vermiculations would have been my guess.....WF...I was too late
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/24 22:23:40 (permalink)
    I concur, white perch, tasty!!!

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/25 09:56:51 (permalink)
    Yeah, I can't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but she basically had to cancel her entire world tour for the surgery and recovery.  She is using the time to write her next album though, so there's that.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/25 22:37:59 (permalink)
    lol.....little monsters

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/26 12:52:43 (permalink)
    mississippiensis

     ........

    post edited by shmoe - 2013/06/26 12:53:51
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/26 12:59:30 (permalink)
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/26 14:04:20 (permalink)
    That's a tiger trout.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/27 18:25:48 (permalink)
    Wow. Some heavy editing going on around here! LOL!

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/27 19:26:30 (permalink)
    Excellent post Pikepredator2! Very thorough. I've always appeciated Cold's posts and found it humourous he posted tiger trout, lol! Burbot, AKA eelpout, lingcod and probably by a few other names also. Always did want to fish for them off the Erie piers in the brutal winter conditions at night. Big fun!!!
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/27 22:28:26 (permalink)
    You can tell its a tiger by the vermiculations....WF..never post when you have a good jag going on...Grey Goose baby
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/27 23:12:47 (permalink)
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    You can tell its a tiger by the vermiculations....WF..never post when you have a good jag going on...Grey Goose baby

    This guy knows what's what.
     
    No other fish has stripes, spots, or other distinctive markings.  Those speckles, known as vermiculations, positively identify it as a tiger trout.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 07:31:36 (permalink)
    One must have a good sense of humor to read and understand most posts on this sight. It can be very entertaining, sometimes educational.

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 09:05:37 (permalink)
    Good post, but I've eaten tons of white bass and they are by no means a "junk fish." I know you said not a perch. But I'd be almost as happy with a full cooler of them as I would be perch. I said almost... LOL
    The fight hard on light tackle and are tastey too.
     
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 09:19:25 (permalink)
    man i haven't been on here in awhile....im not getting the inside jokes anymore 
    ill be back up for air around september, just in time for steel! 

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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 10:36:46 (permalink)
    JEB

    Good post, but I've eaten tons of white bass and they are by no means a "junk fish." I know you said not a perch. But I'd be almost as happy with a full cooler of them as I would be perch. I said almost... LOL
    The fight hard on light tackle and are tastey too.



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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 13:07:13 (permalink)
    Lived in Lewiston, NY when I was a kid. Fished the lower Niagara river a lot before there was such a thing as a salmonoid stocking program. Back during the 50's early 60's the river was crammed full of white bass, locally called silver bass. Fished what is known now as Artpark area a lot with a light fly rod and streamers. You could catch them all summer until you got bored, tired of it, good sized, lot of fun for a kid with an old shakespheare fly rod and medalist reel.  Niagara river area, white bass are silver bass, walleyes are yellow pike, smallmouths are black bass.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/28 19:25:13 (permalink)
    yeah plum, growing up we called em silver bass too, still do, even after my post here.  never heard my dad once refer to a walleye as a walleye, it was always yellow pike and he and his brothers used to troll for them in a row boat using june bug spinners and a night crawler.
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    Re:HOPE THIS HELPS 2013/06/29 07:31:03 (permalink)
    So...... What kind of genes does them there steelhead wear?
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