Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School.

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2013/03/31 22:09:15 (permalink)

Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School.

Over on SC forum they say that's what it will be known as.40 rooms and eats & drinks,small cabins and EXCLUSIVE 1700 ft river access.This should be interesting to see this Sept when they say they will open.
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/03/31 22:26:02 (permalink)
       Somebody better post up a REAL property line map- The ones I have seen posted to date kinda show theirs a bit back from the actual edge of the SR. Nothing showing any 'middle of the river or river bottom lines.
     Perhaps its some sort of high water line but NOT showing them owning into or across the river. Actually understand across the river is State fisherman access property.
           If they do just have 'frontage' guys walking in waters or on the edge in 'normal' or low conditions from above or below or from across will likely have some issues next fall..  
     New name for Altmar--Fistfight City- roughest little town in upstate -Ny. lol--
       Or DSR North-
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/03/31 22:39:22
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/03/31 22:35:25 (permalink)
    Or our Governor, Augstus Andrew Ceasar Cuomo deciding to sell the people's rights and easements to the highest bidder, or campaign contributor!.
     
    Across the river is onthe NYS Maps as easement, and they are forever, (but so was ammendment 2!)
     
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/03/31 22:48:03 (permalink)
    Frankly its not much different than some of us thought it would be since the news came out- still good for Altmar--
       Dont believe they own both sides anyplace so the River itself is kinda open IMHO at this time. Meaning that their lines do not go all across like in DSR
     It is a great ad though - saying exclusive rights.
        Would think they mean that they do own any walking areas approaching one side for bout a 1/4 mile there. That will certainly limit fisherfolks  along that side.
     State easement side is better fishing anyways and gets most of the fisherfolks now.
      Still wanna see some detailed maps.
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/03/31 22:53:26
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/03/31 23:07:22 (permalink)


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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/03/31 23:14:03 (permalink)
    Here is the map and the minimal times I do fish that area I fish from the other side.   Wonder if they will sell passes when the hotel is not full.   At about 150 people at full occupancy for 1700 feet  seems like a lot of folks for that side.   It's not fresh fish,  it's not  that  prime of water and it's not even private access.   I hope them the best.  Will not change my fishing all that much.

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 09:03:39 (permalink)
    retired guy 

    Meaning that their lines do not go all across like in DSR
    Still wanna see some detailed maps.

     
    They do  not need to own the other side,  just to the middle to control access, I have several years of experience helping a farmer on a popular brown trout stream proving this fact.
     
    that said, the map clint put up, maybe inaccurate and they just might own to the center line.

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 09:58:36 (permalink)
    It's the county tax map so it very well could be inaccurate. The survey will the kicker. If they  own to the middle,  it is of a stretch that fishes better form the other side and folks will be fishing from the other side.  If they think they can raise the room prices out of line from the other places in town due to access to that stretch it may not go.  It would  not make me pay 20 to 30 extra dollars a person for a room, especially early when $45 would get me into the DSR.   Think of the town pool

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 10:13:20 (permalink)
    Since I never fish that stretch I really could care less.However,I think what they are spending on that property will be a losing proposition and I give them about 3-5 yrs to join the Portly Angler.
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 10:17:07 (permalink)
      Thought about that map being some kinda general thing when  first seeing it some weeks back-the thing that got my attention was that funny squiggly line in it with the line running back and forth- kinda said to me that it had some accuracy- why else do that kinda weird line. 
     The other neighboring lines shown in red seem proper and the School line seems highlighted in blue for our info.
     When looking up my property lines on similar overhead maps they appear spot on with my survey.
      Will find out soon enough--IMHO
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/04/01 10:21:40
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 10:49:26 (permalink)
    The school line is highlighted in blue because I looked up the tax parcel on the Oswego county tax sight .

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 11:45:40 (permalink)
     Thought something like that Clint -thanks--
        My tax based overhead lines may be a foot or so off here and there depending on the angle of the overhead photo- but no more than that. The corners and such are clearly on trees that also have the Survey tape still attached  so kinda figure that map you showed is pretty accurate for our purposes.
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 12:01:16 (permalink)
    Well it would affect my fishing . During winter I would walk in from the school and try to beat the o'dark thirty Yankee or trophy boats to the head of the pool.
    I preferred fishing the south side because as you guys said , most fish the north.
    Oh well plenty of river and I don't fish much anyways.
    The interesting thing will be the driftboats that park in the dark on south
    Maybe one will chime in .
    post edited by hot tuna - 2013/04/01 12:07:52

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 12:38:35 (permalink)
    Sorry for double posting but I'm bored.
    My question here is , and don't feel shy or embarrassed but who will try the place out ?
    Lets say its a 4**** hotel like the one in Syracuse , would you give it a try ?
    Maybe I could get the person I mooch off in Syracuse to move their conferences there instead of Syracuse . Lol but then again I'd miss dinosaurs BBQ

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 12:53:42 (permalink)
    I will not, but again I have a bed 15 minutes or so away.   I read about the conference center.   I don't see alot of that happening with the lack of public transit,   shopping centers and quality eateries.  

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 13:26:17 (permalink)
     There is a scarey side to the whole map issue.
       If they only own, as the map shows, generally up to or near the South side of the River and NOT into or in most areas even directly alongside the river -- Why say 'exclusive rights to 1,700 feet of river'. The tax map hows only a fraction of that .
       Altmar is sure to have this as its biggest taxpayer and certainly as a large employer as well -not to mention it cares for the empty building that would have produced cost  if it didnt sell.
      SO-- if Altmar owns the river through that area and NOT a pvt owner ( dont see pvt ownership on any maps). Why wouldnt they Quit claim their River rights to this business bailing them out in hard times. ??
      Am presently selling a property where we did this years ago. The sale will require two different deeds in the course of business - one for the original survey where a house is situated and  a second for the adjacent quit claimed strip of land.
     It will all be known sooner or later but at first glance  one may well believe there is much more to be heard on the River issue.
      They certainly arent spending all that money on speculation without assurances .
      Have tried to get into the Palladium News article about the 'multimilion dollar hotel for fishermen' but cant read it unless I suscribe to the paper--phat chance- lol
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/04/01 14:28:33
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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 15:55:31 (permalink)
    I'm sure they did research on everything and had lawyers involved if not.......
     
    I think Dad gets that paper, I will look tomorrow

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/01 18:21:39 (permalink)
    The N. Side is a PFR once a PFR is signed away to the DEC it is permenent. Well, at least thats what they say.
    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/9924.html http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/r7salrivpfr.pdf

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/02 06:55:57 (permalink)
    hot tuna

    The interesting thing will be the driftboats that park in the dark on south
    Maybe one will chime in .

     
    According to the map the only place a driftboat will not be allowed to park is at the barrel hole, in the cut, downstream of the tree. where Randy parks.lol
    I will start a ferry service for a fee to get you guys across, 1st one leaves at 3am.

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    Re:Tailwater Lodge also known as Altmar School. 2013/04/02 09:48:49 (permalink)
    well that kinda sucks, i loose my favorite fishing spot :(
    oh well find another one  i guess
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