A few stones

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2012/10/07 09:10:56 (permalink)

A few stones

Tied up a few stones in a size 6 last night.  Used Estaz for the body.   Wrapped wire to segment but you really can't see it.   For the wing I folded up and then back over for a floating wing look  and coated it with flex head cement.   I may need to trim them a bit more for a tapered look.   What do you guys think of the size 6 for the more aggressive fall biters is it too big??    I saw alot of husks over the summer and they were close to this size.   How about my wing??  I may like this style a bit better than the once up to the head unless you guys give me a reason not to, I think the cement gives it a sheen that wings have.   As always I post up to get comments on how to make them better if I can.


PS the red bed head has a flat wing and there is a size 10 mixed in
post edited by Clint S - 2012/10/07 09:12:16

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    fichy
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 10:15:23 (permalink)
    I'm in the process right now of tying up nymphs. I tied a bunch of sz. 6 out of primarily turkey and dubbing that look like oversize hare's ears. They worked before, and I suspect they'll work again. No. 1 fly on salmon for me. Pafisher uses similar.  I also am tying some smaller sizes out of horse tail and crow feather. I see no problem with your ties, Clint. I haven't found steel  to be that fussy about perfect proportions and lifelike appendages and shape. Size and color are more the key. The one thing I that I'm thinking about for this early winter/late fall is low, clear water and steel getting quickly clued in to flies. I'm tying lots with little to no flash, other than the material itself.  Since the river is loaded with brown stones that are around an inch for the second year in the river until hatching, I don't think 6 is too big at all. I just don't want to have too much flash make them refuse .  I'm hoping to make bigger, duller nymphs with some natural triggers,sz. 6-12,  along with some more  realistic colored egg patterns, do the job. I know I could make small flies work, but that's more a flossing deal and I'll avoid that if I can. I have no illusions that I floss fish, I just try not to most of the time. If it's 5 degrees and I'm standing in the water for 2 hrs. without a touch, the chuck and duck with a midge might be coming out. lol. No, amend that, it WILL be coming out.  I don't drive the 7 hr. round trip to play in the water. If I lived closer, I'd swing flies alot, but I don't.  Those eggs you gathered are going to be killer, I think, Clint. Tough to beat this fall.  Flies with flash might work better than those with none or little, I'm just covering bases via observations I've made in the past. Thanks for sharing the ties. I'm looking forward to the challenge of this fall's low water and how tactics may have to change to adapt to it.
     
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 10:33:47 (permalink)
    I am also thinking to try the # 6's on salmon especially the Ho's.   I was also wondering about  the lower water and may just tie up some  brown hares ear stones with a turkey feather case. and some all black stones.  I am liking the wing cases and if I remember correctly RJ said to mix aquaseal and water and paint that on the feathers for wing cases. 

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 10:51:21 (permalink)
    Not water, Clint. Just use the Aquaseal. If you want to thin it, use a small amount of  fingernail polish remover . I use it to make my pink worms by running chenille through it. There's also a product called Dave's Flexament that you can take a feather and coat it, and after it dries, just cut off what you need. I do this with turkey flats and it works great. I also do it to crow primaries for black wing covers. For a little sheen and protection on the wing covers and for sealing thread heads, Sally Hansen's Hard As Nails, has been used by fly tiers since it came on the market.  They did away with the original product and split it into separate, specialized ones. Look for the one that says Strengthening Top Coat. It does just that to your flies.
     
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 11:02:49 (permalink)
    I have a bottle of Sally Hanson on my desk  I sometimes use it instead of the head cement because the head cement seems to go dry in the container after awhile.  I think I will try to coat a feather with it to see how it works.

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 11:30:45 (permalink)
    Clint, There are two aerosol spray adhesives that you could use, Tuffilm Fixative and 3M Super 77 Multipurpose adhesive.  I like to burn my stone fly wings with a burner set and Hungarian Partridge feathers.  After burning them to shape I give them a spray with the adhesive to stiffen them up, also makes them more durable.  Another material to use for wings is Tyvek.  Cut to shape and color with a Pantone pen with black, browns, tan and gray mottling for effect.  If you hunt turkey (or have a friend that does) keep the tail and wing feathers for your nymph patterns.   
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 12:31:10 (permalink)
    For a real simple deadly tie (at times) don't forget the San Juan Worm in pink and natural brown,those steel like worms as they are trout
    Another one is a Copper John.Try wrapping a size 10 long nympth hook with red wire,make a head with three stands of peacock hurl and that's it.
    Another very simple one is wrap your hook from one end to another with peacock hurl with a slight taper back to front and that's it,believe me it works as that peacock is very buggy looking.
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 12:33:24 (permalink)
    My GOD!....that is taking censorship to a extreme
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    Clint S
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 13:41:25 (permalink)
    Yep,    can't  say the other name for rooster even in another word or Richard even if it is someones name.   eg   My friends name is****  we call him Richard.

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 14:00:00 (permalink)
    Some censorship programs won't allow the word saltwater, took me a few minutes to figure out it's the middle of the word. What's good for the goose is good for the gander... What's good for the hen is good for the ... can't say it. lol.  Good steers on the san juans and the copper johns, Jack. I tie variations, but right along those lines, and they've caught steel.   I caught 1 king on a  red  wire wrapped 10 with 1 turn of pink estaz on it. 
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/07 15:00:23 (permalink)
    Jack, even though I have never caught anything on them, but I have both brown and pink San Juan type worms in my box and try them often enough.   Will try the Copper John and the you know what hurl too.  Never hurts to have  little more ammo in the box

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/08 17:20:37 (permalink)
    Clint,
    Your fly from the swap was the ONE that got bit last year.. Your hook however got bent.. I think those will do FINE !!
    Keep going man, I think it about the "hot spot" as in something that triggers them..
     
    Charlie,  my 14' spey rod that never gets used isn't even gonna touch that.. lol

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/08 19:29:05 (permalink)
    I used to tie but now have a place that I get all my flies from  and they only cost .26 a piece  thats less then I can tie them  hooks are good no problem on steel and browns.  great selection. just takes a little while to come in 3 to 4 weeks
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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/08 19:46:40 (permalink)
    ssgt12:
    Why not tie a fly from your hands that may/will  catch a fish instead ?
     Cost  0.$$ = Priceless instead of a click away..
     
    Don't get me wrong , I use lures, bait and support tackle shops when I can..
     

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    Re:A few stones 2012/10/08 19:53:32 (permalink)
    I kind of like tying as much as fishing.  It's the anticipation of sitting at the vice thinking this could be the one that gets me the big one.  Also lets me experiment with colors, shape and size.  

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