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2012/09/05 22:06:52 (permalink)
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 11:19:32 (permalink)
    They don't mention the species of fish,hope whatever it is stays confined and goes away.
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 11:55:19 (permalink)
    i saw another artile sawing it was sheepshead, carp, and cats
     



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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 12:19:24 (permalink)
    Also saw that they sighted lake turnover and low o2 levels when it did turn over as the cause. water testing did not bring results of anything toxic last I knew.
     
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 13:23:23 (permalink)
    This happened about a month and a half ago around north east.  They chalked it up to the lake flippping.  It was mostly sheephead with some smallies mixed in.

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 14:03:04 (permalink)
    the same article that talked about the fish species said that many residents near the lake reported being woken up from their sleep to a strong smell of raw sewage the night of the fish kill



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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 21:03:30 (permalink)
    WOW did anyone read the posts at the bottom of the article? 
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 21:09:31 (permalink)
    The lake flipping, is a reasonable enough explanation for the fish. But what about the Gull?

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 21:12:23 (permalink)
    well if the lake flipped it could've released a methane gas pocket and the gulls thinking to get an easy meal just suffocated but methane disperses quickly being that it is lighter than air also tasteless and scentless
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 21:13:32 (permalink)
    also it would have to be a pretty big methane eruption
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 21:49:10 (permalink)
    I blame Obama

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/06 22:00:26 (permalink)
    i can see where this is going lol
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 09:09:14 (permalink)
    A single large release of sewage or manure would not have caused an immediate fish kill along 25 miles of shoreline.  Sewage kills by depleting oxygen through biological reactions, not by contact. 
     
    However, it would be reasonable to say that continuous discharges of sewage (or fertilizers, industrial outfalls, AG runoff, ect. ) over a period of time could have substantially elevated nutrient levels, which would have stimulated algae growth in the lake.  As summer winds down the algae dies and falls to the bottom of the lake, where it will then decompose.  The decomposition process can significantly deplete oxygen in the bottom layer of the lake.  When the lake stratifies in the early fall, this layer of oxygen depleted water is introduced into formerly oxygen rich surface waters and a potential fish kill can ensue.    
     
    That is just my (un)educated guess as to what happened... 
     
     
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 09:20:18 (permalink)
    Esox_Hunter 

    The decomposition process can significantly deplete oxygen in the bottom layer of the lake.  When the lake stratifies in the early fall, this layer of oxygen depleted water is introduced into formerly oxygen rich surface waters and a potential fish kill can ensue.    

    That is just my (un)educated guess as to what happened... 


    While this is true, the dissolved oxygen levels below the thermocline are already very, very low.  So , this can, and often does happen without any external influences when the lake flips abruptly.

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 10:08:42 (permalink)
    Right, oxygen levels are naturally low below the thermocline because in general, there is insufficient light for photosynthesis to occur.  There is also little or no mixing occuring with oxygen rich waters above the thermocline throughout the summer.
     
    And again you are right, this process can be natural, but there is a strong correlation between nutrient (organic) levels and the rate of oxygen depletion below the thermocline, in which the rate of oxygen depletion increases with a corresponding increase in nutrient loading.  In Lake Erie's (and many other large lakes) case it is very well documented that man has substantially accelerated nutrient enrichment into the lake. 
     
     
    post edited by Esox_Hunter - 2012/09/07 10:38:18
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 10:20:44 (permalink)
    I am in agreement with esox and bogey......
    now thinking about the gulls tho unless they ate the dead fish and died that would point more to something toxic dumped into the water not natural flipping of the lake
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 14:17:14 (permalink)
    A toxic algae bloom could cause the rapid kill off of fish as well as the gulls, if they were breathing it in or eating dead fish that were covered with the algae.  This is the time of the year for that to happen.
     
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 17:30:48 (permalink)
    Have heard horror stories of industrial dumping and when the barrels rot out they release their toxic ingredients ? Hope its not the case... 
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 17:42:41 (permalink)
    While greatly improved environmentally. The great lakes no doubt still contain numerous "timebombs" on, or within their bottoms.

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/07 17:59:33 (permalink)
    A lot of people drink the water "sure a good way to cull the heard "don't even like to imagine the human toll from greedy industries saving $ with these practices 
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/08 20:42:04 (permalink)
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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/11 17:06:57 (permalink)
    It's a mystery that will probably won't be solved in the near future.
    Seeing that massive death of fish leads to the thoughts that low oxygen  levels are not the only reason why and how this could happen.

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    Re:Interesting 2012/09/11 18:27:26 (permalink)
    I didn't even look at the article but did they test the gull for lead? Seems a lot of rabbits and squirrel used to die from that around my neck of the woods....WF
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