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2012/08/13 17:32:19 (permalink)

Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat.

I'm looking for help in buying a used boat that's capable of fishing Erie, mostly for bass, near-shore in PIB & North East PA. Problem is I'm a rookie, I've owned one little electric only john boat for a few years. I am willing to pay in fine canned beers and/or a few free fishing trips for guidance. I'm looking for a bare minimum bass fishing boat, not looking to go out in 6-footers and run 10 miles off-shore in a cuddy cabin thingy.
 
From what I understand, I should buy an 18' minimum, deep V or regular V with enough power to get off the lake quickly when needed. I feel I can get by with a 15-17' deep V if I'm willing to sacrifice and only fish ideal conditions, but I can be convinced otherwise.
  • I am 99% bass fisherman but wouldn't mind adding a few Perch/Walleye trips each year.
  • I would prefer a Bass boat so I could fish BASS Club tournies again, but my main passion is fun fishing for Erie smallies so the tourney trail can always wait.
  • I have an early 2000s Toyota 4Runner V6, 2-wheel drive (sucks, I know, bought it when I lived in the dirty South). So overall weight will limit me. Will launching/towing be tough with a 2-wheel V6?
  • I am looking for used, budget is $3-5K. I could possibly continue saving to expand my options, but I'm not trying to get the dream boat here, just something to keep from paying $1.5k a year renting small 14-footers.
  • I have no - absolutely zero - experience in mechanics or carpentry or anything that involves the slightest technical skill. Therefore, all work needed would have to be paid for. I fear the day I a motor fails on me.
  • I don't know jack about mixing oils and gas and knowing me I'd probably find a way to explode anything I touch. I'm sure this could be learned.
Also wondering if there's a boat buying and Erie regulations guide on this forum or elsewhere? Just looking for a checklist of items needed for PA/Erie boating. Thank you in advance for any advice anyone can give!
 
Here is one sweet looking rig I'm looking at. Any thoughts? It's close to my budget range:
LATE '80S 70HP MERCURY, 9.9HP MERCURY KICKER WITH DUAL CONTROLS. STAR  CRAFT (18 footer) w/ TRAILER . 55lb MINNKOTA, FISH FINDING & SONAR, Lots of extras, ready to fish.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 01:29:09 (permalink)
What did i post in the wrong forum? Think I'm gonna buy this boat or something similar.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 09:21:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Not trying to be an azz, but expecting an "all encompassing" answer to your post in about 8 hours is a bit much.
 
To try and help, your truck should do alright, yes you may have a few problems at some of the ramps...2WD on a wet, slick ramp might get interesting!
 
You should be able to find something "ready to fish" for 3-5 K, but look for soft floors and leaks...ask to take it for a test run.
A deep V with high freeboard is safer in rough water, but less manuverable for "bass" fishing...A shallower hull with lower freeboard is more manuverable for bassin' but will toss you around in rough water.
 
About mixing oils and fuel...plain and simple - YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS! Otherwise you could ruin your engine.
 
About Erie regulations, look on the PaFBC website, there are certain required safety devices that you must carry on your boat...fire supression, signalling equipment, life jackets & throwables...etc.
 
Hope this helps.
The above reply is only MY thoughts and opinions, others may have more or better information.

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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 10:42:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Erie Mako's advice is good.  I would add this:  When trying to find a boat that will "do it all" you'll end up with a boat that does nothing particularly well.  Focus on where you want to spend most of your time and pick a boat that will accomplish that well.  You can jerk perch in fairly close most of the time and there are walleye in 30-40'of water (or shallower) all year long.  A bass boat can accomplish this just fine if you just pick your days.  IMO, DO NOT take a bass boat more than a couple miles offshore. Every year some brainiac decides to take their bass boat out 15 miles off of Walnut, Conny, Ashtabula, etc and capsizes and as a result either dies, or puts themselves or rescuing boats in peril.
 
Good luck in your search.

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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 13:01:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Misterr Z...
 I actually like the boat you show above for what you have described, but EM and Bogey both offered good advice and we all have different preferences (which is why there are so many choices out there!)
Some basic points to remember
-it's not just the weather you head out in that you have to be able to handle,
 Erie (and any other large lake) can change in a very short time so be ready
 head in through much rougher water... So it is absolute that you have an
 engine that is in good running order and is strong enough to help you
 maintain control of the boat when you get in two or three footers that push
 a boat around like a giant bobber.
-figure out your motors fuel consumption either per mile or per hour under controlled circumstances at both half throttle and full throttle... and don't go out on the lake without twice what you would expect to use that day. The old phrase 'SH*T Happens' seems to be a golden rule out on the open water and ending up with a powerless boat is a recipe for disaster. (don't forget to include your kicker motor in the figuring if you are trolling also) So if you are fishing Erie look for a good fuel capacity on the boat or storage room for extra gas cans.
- carry an anchor capable of holding your boat in rough water with at least 200ft of good rope (a 6 ft length of heavy chain between the rope and anchor will help you hold bottom much better).... if you get into trouble and call for help you are much better off staying put so you can be found easier...
-anchor off of the bow... it will help point your nose into the waves in rough water and reduce the amount of water getting dumped into your boat
-don't go out without a decent capacity bilge pump and a sure way to keep a battery charged that it will be able to operate on.  They aren't that expensive and can make a difference between waiting on board your boat for help to arrive or waiting in the water because your boat founders...
-don't rely on a cell phone as your communication method... cell coverage out on the lake sucks in many areas and small electronics have a habit of being dropped overboard. A good quality marine radio with a tall antenna is a must in my book
-you should have 2 methods of finding directions... GPS units are great on the fish finders but honestly we have been in fog heavy enough that they have messed up and can't get a lock (that was a horrible long night) and if your electronic system crashes and you don't have power it won't be much good to you... having a simple marine compass on board can at the least keep you headed in the right direction to get back to a ramp.  Ask for advice on the right spot to mount them because I know other dash electronics can interfere with their accuracy.
-I would suggest having a qualified mechanic and/or marine surveyor check on the boat before you buy since you don't have experience with them and even minor repairs may end up costing you a lot if you have to have someone else do it for you
-Make sure your motor has a good battery charging system on it... and I would suggest getting someone to set up your system so that your motor under power can also charge your other batteries... it will extend the time you can be out on the water and it is amazing how fast batteries can run down... it also will help if you don't have to pull all of your batteries out of the boat every night to charge them... just plug in the boat instead.
 
also... practice using the compass, anchor and other tools in controlled area so if you get out on the big lake and need them you are familiar with their quirks..
These are just a few things I suggest... but I'm sure there are some near shore boaters on here that can give more pointers. You don't have to have a 'big boat' to have one that can be very usable on Erie...
Have fun...
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 14:09:08 (permalink)
Erie Mako Not trying to be an azz, but expecting an "all encompassing" answer to your post in about 8 hours is a bit much.

Your tips were very helpful. I'm worried about the SUV. I have had the tires spin on a few ramps with just my ultralight John boat. Also, sorry I seem impatient, I don't want to miss out on that boat I posted. But it's likely out of my price range at the moment anyway.

Bogeyjoker

Erie Mako's advice is good.  I would add this:  When trying to find a boat that will "do it all" you'll end up with a boat that does nothing particularly well.  Focus on where you want to spend most of your time and pick a boat that will accomplish that well.  You can jerk perch in fairly close most of the time and there are walleye in 30-40'of water (or shallower) all year long.  A bass boat can accomplish this just fine if you just pick your days.  IMO, DO NOT take a bass boat more than a couple miles offshore. Every year some brainiac decides to take their bass boat out 15 miles off of Walnut, Conny, Ashtabula, etc and capsizes and as a result either dies, or puts themselves or rescuing boats in peril.

Good luck in your search.

Thank you, and I think that's good advice. My main focus will remain fishing Erie PA waters near-shore (under 2 miles) for bass. The perch and walleye outings would just be a bonus, and only if they can be caught near shore, and by using regular bass casting / spinning combos. Not about to outfit a rig with all the rod holders, down riggers and all that stuff I have no experience with.
 
Fisherlady2 - that is an awesome list I greatly appreciate you taking the time to post all of that. I'm printing it out and saving it as part of my check list.
 
Thank you everyone I appreciate your time and advice.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 14:14:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
If you're buying a used boat, first and foremost, it's all about the motor. That is what you are spending your money on. A decent trailer and a solid hull are fine, but when you dish out 4 grand only to find out that you need to spend another $1500 on repairs, you're going to be mad. All very good advice so far. Based on your budget, you're going to run into more junk than you could imagine. It's finding the right boat in all that mess that will be tricky. If you're trying to fish smallies on the lake, NO on the bass boat. If I'm not mistaken, you call head out in any **** boat you please for most bass tournies. (correct me if I'm wrong), but you don't need to fit into the bassin crowd that can't fish the Great Lakes on a windy day. You're in Erie and you need a deeper hull. Most important from everything else, get educated. You must be able to make minor repairs and maintain your equipment. Based on what you've stated, in my humble opinion, you aren't ready to make a purchase decision and care for a boat properly at this point on your own. Read up on outboard engines. Visit boat forums. Learn about the electronics. It's just not safe to out there unprepared. Good luck.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 15:27:02 (permalink)
Thank you chrisk. I appreciate the blunt honesty there and it's likely true. But I've put it off for so long and I think the best way for me to learn now is to own a used, lower priced boat and gain experience first hand while I continue researching online.
 
I've owned an electric john boat and that was the first step, in addition to the research and continuous reading. I've trailered and launched that little thing for a few years in North Carolina. Nothing compared to an 18' boat but at least I won't be going at it with zero experience.
 
Also been renting 14'-17' 10-60HP boats for 3 years on Erie and probably dropped $2000+ between myself and a few friends. That was learning experience on the water in my opinion, definitely got me to respect the lake and watch the weather forecasts and skies like a hawk. I've been caught out there in 3-4s and obviously I'm decades behind in experience with how to handle that compared to most, but at least the next time it happens, it won't be the first.
 
Anyway, I consider the annual costs I'll likely be paying for small repairs, maintenance, winterizing to be part of the learning experience. It's a price I'm willing to and prepared to pay and worth it to me. But yes, I will certainly be much better off learning how to do these things myself, especially on the water fixes for safety purposes.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/14 16:54:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
First of all, your thread title has to be one of the best I've seen in quite a while, LOL.
 
I wouldn't get in too big of a hurry, you're just getting into prime buying time, there will be lots of boats for sale that the owners don't want to winterize and store for another winter. Be patient and watch all the classified sites in your area like craigslist and pennswoods.net and even ebay. The zero mechanical skill thing isn't good when you're looking for less expensive used boats. I haven't had good experiences finding good service, so I now do all my own work. I would also highly recommend getting a tow service membership once you do find a boat. While there are lots of horror stories about used boats, there are lots of success stories. A guy has to start somewhere...Right? 

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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/16 16:17:45 (permalink)
Thank bulldog1!
 
That boat I pictured in the original post sold. I was going to try and look at it this weekend. I didn't think it would last. Thanks for the Pennswoods link, I had never heard of that. There are a ton of interesting listings there, that's a big help.
 
Technically, I've been looking for about two years, but only now am I about ready to follow through on a purchase. There have been some excellent looking deals on craigslist (to my inexperienced eye they look great anyway). But I have heard that winter is the best as you mentioned and it does seem they flood c-list in December-Feb.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/17 13:56:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
With the experience you have on the water here in a jon and renting, go for it man. If you do decide to wait until winter to buy, it's going to be a little tougher to confirm good running condition, as you won't be able to hit the water for a test or the motor may be winterized. If possible, at least run the motor for a bit in big tub if you aren't able to make a test run. good luck.
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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/18 11:07:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Just to add a little to help out.
 
Before you make that purchase always ask the current owner to take it for a test run or at least run the motor in a garbage can full of water. As stated above. And I agree with what was said about the motor being your most concern in making a purchase. Of coarse it needs to float without taking on any water.  As bulldog stated the best time to make your purchase is in the late summer or fall, previous owners may not want to winterize or spend the money to store the boat for the winter and are eager to sell before winter. Just be picky and get what you want. You will be happier in the boat you finally decide to get. You are going about this the right way for your first boat purchase. Taking time to research and do the homework and ask questions. You couldnt have asked for more than what your getting from all the answers here. All the advise given are from super good people and would not steer you wrong. Good luck and I hope you find what your looking for.

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Re:Looking to hire: Boat buying consultant for Erie-worthy minimalist fishing boat. 2012/08/18 19:14:58 (permalink)
Thanks Chrisk and deetz.
 
It would go a long way for piece of mind to be able to use the boat a few times before the end of the year. I plan to take it out on the 3 Rivers in Pittsburgh a number of times before hiking up to Erie too.
 
There appear to be basic small motor mechanics courses I could take, some online. I'm debating if that's worth it too. At the very least, DVDs and a few well illustrated books.
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