Need help with switch line

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2012/05/03 17:57:12 (permalink)

Need help with switch line

I picked up a switch rod a few years ago at the bargain cave in Cabela's and would like to give it a go. Problem is choosing a switch line. I've read up on the Wulff Ambush line and by all accounts it is recommended that you "load up" two sizes. Also checked into the Rio Compact Scandi lines and they recommend "loading down" three sizes. It all seems quite confusing. The rod is 11'3" LST series that is rated for lines up to 400 grains. If anyone has experience with switch rods and lines I would appreciate any input.

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Gerry
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    pafisher
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/03 18:44:07 (permalink)
    Jerry,I just picked up a 11' 8 wt this spring.I have n't used it but did try it with my 10 wt line,was having no problem casting around 30 yds with it but that was the limit for the water I tried it on,felt like I could have done more.I would think you would want to load it,not under load it.I'm sure Fitchy or Dime can help you.
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/03 19:57:47 (permalink)
    Gerry, I've tried a few tapers and switch lines. If you plan to do more single hand Spey and simple snap-t's with 2 hands, I'd suggest uplining one weight with a Salmon/Steel taper. Orvis makes a very good one. Rio has a switch line  that is very similar. Uplining one weight usually will suffice to work within 60-70 feet and cast flies from 6 to 2/0 with ease. A nine wt. head on the S/S taper will come in right around 400 gr.  The Ambush lines have a VERY short head- 20', which puts it out of  my use range. The heads too short to make effective mends. You can shoot alot of line, but you can't do squat once it's there. Not for me. It's why you need to upline it by 2 to make enough weight for it to load the rod.  Though I pride myself on casting and love flyfishing because of the art and skill involved in it, the ambush  is more of a "toy" taper, to me. It's very good for firing off a quick cast to a tarpon. DEC hasn't stocked them yet, so I'm SOL.  A 9 or 10 wt. Double Taper would also fill the bill. I use a 10 wt. on a 9 for salmon, and have no problem putting flies across the river.  Long belly lines excel at mending, in other words, they're great for steel. You can find numbers of DT's on sale in heavy weights. The switch and Spey lines are starting to take their place. Personally, I hope they stick around awhile.  I have an old 8 wt. Orvis S/S
    that I can send you to try. It's cracked, but would make an excellent lawn line.   You'll be able to judge alot from it. It was exceptionally good on my 11' 7 wt. (I use a 10' now)  You can send it back when you're done. Maybe swinging some large  articulated sculpins on the Housy with that rod?  (I've fished around  Cornwall in the winter).  PM me your addie.
     
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/03 20:42:47 (permalink)
    You must have read my mind about the Housy. Rather than wade and risk spooking fish I'd like to use the switch to cover more water with a snap T. As you know, the fish in the Housy are well pressured and are a challenge. Most companies recommend a line with a shooting head no longer than 33' for the length rod that I will be using. I have looked at the Orvis lines along with what Airflo has to offer. Comparing the New Hydros S/S line to the Hydros 3D Switch line there is a difference in head length of approximately 20 feet. All the companies claim that their product mends well regardless of the distance cast. I, however, am not interested in wasting time and money on something that I'll be stuck with if it fails to handle as claimed. Thanks for the info.
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/03 21:17:20 (permalink)
    I agree with fichy's first sentence... the fancy high dollar lines ive found dont drift well for me...regardless of how far i can cast them. I have yet to even buy one myself... my father and brother have wasted their money on them so thts the only way i know of them... dont like them....for me give me a house of hardy weight forward(or double taper) or most recently a cortland precision salmon/steelhed taper and im good.... nothing fancy...
    i do believe in the uploading as i will often cast a #9 on some of my #7 weight rods...

    For casting, i try to keep as much line out of the water as possible when loading my d-loop..many guys do the exact opposite and froth up the water...i imagine the water you're targeting will not allow this...if youre ever heading up in the summer for small mouths give me a shout and good luck with your choice... your articulated flies are patiently awaiting the first week of june
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/05 22:05:38 (permalink)
       Picked up a Cabelas Switch this year bout the same size. Used a weight foreward floating 9 wt line on the 8 wt rod. Put a 3.5 Lamson reel on it. Works just fine. Rolls like crazy too. Took some getting used to though. Its different.
    When you are out in the open ya can really throw some rope with that rig.--It handles Sharks well too and the length is no imparment whatsoever on Steel.
      Gotta wonder if its the one wt higher- but dont seem t have too much trouble mending.
    LOVE IT.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/05/05 22:11:49
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/06 09:44:02 (permalink)
    RG- Snuck into Meriden yesterday for a visit with family. Then it was off to Cabela's looking for line. They didn't have anything that appealed to me as their stock on switch lines was virtually none existent. No DT lines either. The quest continues. Probably going with Orvis either S/S or Easy Mend Switch. A $25. off coupon for any purchase over $50. helps if its a bust.
    post edited by troutbum21 - 2012/05/06 11:04:47
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/06 13:29:18 (permalink)
          If I remember correctly my line was about $70 at Cabelas plus a decent backing.
      Really pondered over one or two line wts heavier but am happy with the one.
    Gave much consideration to the fact that on the SR its common to use a small weight as well depending on your offering,
      Personally usually am too light with my weights using only bout one BB size  most of the time just to get stuff down into the mid range but it did enter by generally faulted thought process.
      Think that some have 'issues' with the Switch rod cause they figure since they have a bigger rig they gotta throw more rope all the time- that aint necessarily so. Yes it can certainly get you to places other rods may not but you dont have ta always be throwin all across the whole river all the time. Heckif ya want to fish on the other side alla the darn time-GO OVER THERE STEADA OVER HERE.
      Sometimes too much is simply too far for conditions an it causes lotsa drag an mending issues..Moderation has its place.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/05/06 13:37:46
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    RE: Need help with switch line 2012/05/06 23:00:21 (permalink)
    I bought my switch rod to be able to high stick it and keep more line off the water,I agree there is'nt many times you have to cast to the other side.I also have a gimpy shoulder and that long butt really helps on the roll cast which is what I use 95% of the time.Now I have to get out and actually fish with it if I ever find the time.
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