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2012/01/22 19:52:05 (permalink)

Smallmouth

I live in Belle Vernon.I do a bit of fishing in Smithton for trout in the spring with some sucess and the Jacobs Creek area for smallies when the trout slows down and weather gets warmer.I always use minnows and a split shot and do OK.I would like to know what type of artifical baits work for smallies along with techniques etc.I also have fly gear for trout and would like to try for smallies.But what kind of patterns and techniques to catch smallies,rock bass,etc.Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.
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    anatikus
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/22 20:06:59 (permalink)
    crayfish...or poppers

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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/22 23:14:02 (permalink)
    for fly fishing use streamers. bright flashy olors will work when they are ative, when things are slow use darker colors and fish them deep on the bottom. sometimes dead drifting works sometimes a fast strip or sometimes swinging works. you got to try it all and let the fish tell you what they want.

    on spinning gear i do well with rapalas, soft plastic grubs, worms, paddletails, shad type etc. just think about what bass like to eat, minnows, chubs, suckers, crabs, sculpin, worms, nymphs all these and try and imitate these with whatever you're fishing with.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 08:04:50 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: RIZ
    for fly fishing use streamers. bright flashy olors will work when they are ative, when things are slow use darker colors and fish them deep on the bottom. sometimes dead drifting works sometimes a fast strip or sometimes swinging works. you got to try it all and let the fish tell you what they want.


    Great advice here.

    Pattern-wise, head to your favorite smallie spot with a fly box full of woolly buggers, clousers, zonkers, and some sort of crayfish pattern. Tie the baitfish patterns with a variety of weights, colors, and amount of flash.

    I'm sure you know that when they are hungry and active, it's usually not a problem to catch a lot of them, the trick is convincing them when they really aren't too active or hungry.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 08:09:24 (permalink)
    A friend and I have always done well w 4" berkley power worms, pumpkin...
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 08:23:08 (permalink)
    I do really well with jerk baits in the spring. I usually start off with a reflective blue 4" one from Rapala. It seems to work particulary well in streams.

    For fly fishing, I have also done well with poppers, as someone suggested. Smallmouth on a 5 weight is a lot of fun.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 11:23:35 (permalink)
    I agree with FishinGuy. I usually fish for Smallmouth in the Allegheny in the spring and catch lots on 2-4in Berkley Pumpkin
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 11:23:35 (permalink)
    I use a 6wt and float shinners with it. It is a blast catching smallies on it. This year I hope to try some minnow patterns and crawfish patterns.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 12:12:42 (permalink)
    If your gonna use spin rod, try X-raps and Zoom Super Fluke Jr and Rebel Craws
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 12:38:48 (permalink)
    ill also add that i like using rebel craws

    i also like using 1/4 oz panther martins
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 15:57:23 (permalink)
    spin rod i use a husky jerk, blue metallic, tan/brown both work about the same for me
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 17:35:54 (permalink)
    X-rap 6 or 8, Rebel stickbaits, Rebel craws, super flukes, x-rap subwalks, husky jerks, etc.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 19:04:10 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: PONDBEARSHWILLY

    I live in Belle Vernon.I do a bit of fishing in Smithton for trout in the spring with some sucess and the Jacobs Creek area for smallies when the trout slows down and weather gets warmer.I always use minnows and a split shot and do OK.I would like to know what type of artifical baits work for smallies along with techniques etc.I also have fly gear for trout and would like to try for smallies.But what kind of patterns and techniques to catch smallies,rock bass,etc.Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.


    I fish that exact stretch in the summer.  I kill the smallies using leeches from my boat.  I drift using just a very small split-shot just to get it down.  Have you ever tried fishing CedarCreek ParK?  On the RR trackside there are some deep holes loaded with some huge boulders.  Caught some giant smallies on leeches there too.  Sounds crazy but it wouldn't surprise me if a new state record would come out of there.


     
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 19:47:03 (permalink)
    When the temps go up into the 80's, I slam them on an 1/8 oz. white rooster tail with a silver blade.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/23 21:31:01 (permalink)
    i agree with you SmMouth. I've used white rooster tails for years in the river and hammered them.

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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/24 08:22:19 (permalink)
    When the water gets really warm, they seem to turn on. Flyrod, clouser minnows in different colors is really all you need (make sure there is some flash in them). Clouser crayfish or other crayfish patterns will work too, if they are keyed in on crayfish, but when they are really active, they are chasing river shiners. Matching that in live bait will slam them too (shiners or minnows). If you have a smaller diameter net (crabbing net), find some overhanging grass along the shore, and drag the net through it going up stream. I used to get a ton of baitfish like that as a kid, and they loved those native shiners (not sure if they are technically shiners, about 2"-3" long rather slender with shiney sides). Also, just about any spinner that size or smaller thin spoon will match them too.

    When the water isn't warm, I'm not really sure how to catch them. I know large tube jigs were the rage 15+ years ago, but might be a warm water thing too. I'm guessing they stay a bit deeper in the cooler water, and when those would work? You'll probably be staying busy with the trout during that time though.

    Regardless, if the suggestions people are saying don't seem to work, don't be discouraged. If you try any of these during the right water temp, you will likely catch fish nonstop.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/24 18:29:13 (permalink)
    I will second the vote for clousers. I usually use chartreuse and white with krystal flash for murky conditions and black/white, olive/white or gray/white for clear conditions. Really easy pattern to tie, but make sure to tie it with as little deer hair as you can stand. It is easy to mess a fly up by using too much material. I havent found a perfect crayfish fly yet...still searching.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/24 20:14:05 (permalink)
    I have had success with weedless frogs close to weedlines in various streams in Washington Co.
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/24 20:21:36 (permalink)
    Consensus here tells me that the smallies on the Yough will hit any darn thing that you throw at them!

    I'm not surprised! lol
    post edited by ridgehunter - 2012/01/24 20:22:00
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    RE: Smallmouth 2012/01/25 18:37:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ridgehunter

    Consensus here tells me that the smallies on the Yough will hit any darn thing that you throw at them!

    I'm not surprised! lol


    hahaha there is a 'if' next to alot of those statements of smallie success. IF you have conditions, then smallies are largemouth--extremely aggressive and therefore kinda easy. I havent been skunked on the yough, but I have had days where the 12"er was the biggest fish too...
    Bottom line, they dont jump in your boat on that river.
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