Early season observations

I know I don't fish the Pa tribs as often as in the past, but I occasionally end up on my two old favorites one on the westside one on the eastside. This October because of prevailing conditions when i could get up there I ended up on Pa tribs five times in the last four weeks. So that is the basis of my observations. And all of them are only my opinion for what it's worth. And I have been observing for over 15 years.
- Not sure number of fish returning is significantly higher than last year, I think in my case I have hit conditions on the Pa tribs just right.

-After the last two seasons of drastically fewer numbers of fish and this season still up in the air, why are so many guys keeping their limit??? Is the mindset "well if this is all there is I'm getting mine"

-The very clever new ploy on the Pa tribs of a guy jumping right into your spot when you take off to fight a hooked fish AND upon your return telling you "he saw some guys eying it up and was saving it for you". Really. Thanks. That happened to me and my buddy same afternoon fishing several hundred feet apart by different guys {we think different guys}

-Fish are bigger on westside tribs???

-More guys friendlier in general.

-Pinners! On Pa tribs. Come on two good pinners can work the entire length of the Legion Hole,upper and lower, right.

-Met some Canadians good guys but can you stay in Canada please. Don't they know that Canada is the USA largest National Park! So the fishing should be good up there .

- The Russians Or Eastern Europeans I guess, not to single any one group out. Using like 8-9 wgt flyrods with winches and 15Lb maxima and traditional tandem salmon hooks, HMMM must have thought they were on the Gaula. BUT no they were snagging! I was dying to challenge them when they attempted to keep a snagged fish but the fishgods was unkind to them they lost each one they snagged.



Oh yeah how did I lose my designation of expert angler? Novice angler. At least give some street cred!





-Visiting those two tribs on days when the water was high and stained just the right color reminds me why I fell in love with them and steelheading. There just too crowded most of the time, for me to fish, regularly.

Thats all I have. Comments are welcome. Have a good season

The east side tribs are much "friendlier" than the west side tribs in my experience plus I can actually get my bait to where the fish are on the east side when I'm fishing the mouth. Regardless the fish have moved up pretty quickly this year

ORIGINAL: chartist1

east side tribs are holding more fish than Elk....

Chartist, you are so full of crap. In my two trips to Elk, I saw more fish than in 20 trips on the east side. Why would I go to Elk, when I am 1, 3, 4, 7, 10 miles from 4, 7, 12, 16, and 20 mile creeks, respectively? I don't own stock in oil companies. I can get to NY creeks faster than Elk, so I've purchased a NY license, even though I broke down and got my Senior lifetime PA license this year.

ORIGINAL: chartist1

All I can say talk about is my personal experience this year. I walked Elk from the route 5 tubes upstream to the trestle upstream of the legion hole. I found the fish numbers to be low on Elk....20 mile creek had a good number of fish.....Thinking of fishing the weekend prior to thanksgiving and if I do, it will be 20 mile creek only....Tired of driving 35 miles from the green roof inn to 20 mile because I want to stay somewhat centrally located.

plus the "eastside the bestside 20 steelhed just died"slogan T shirt
is avalable for sell at a local baitstore

plus evryone knows all the browns ar ther tooo

so elk suks this year
who kares

go east

hophelpa

ORIGINAL: chartist1

I saw 50+ fishermen on 20 mile creek on saturday and again on sunday last weekend....Upstream of route 5 on elk, I saw six guys all the way to the conrail tubes on saturday afternoon....And noone was hooking up on Elk......couple other guys I talked to at Avonia tavern echoed my observations. They went to Walnut cuz there were fish....

In all honesty theres not really enough room on 20 for 50+ guys. I'm suprised you found open water to fish. Oh wait I know you were the guy snaking everyones hole because the fish they caught took them down stream.

ORIGINAL: neaphyte

I know I don't fish the Pa tribs as often as in the past, but I occasionally end up on my two old favorites one on the westside one on the eastside. This October because of prevailing conditions when i could get up there I ended up on Pa tribs five times in the last four weeks. So that is the basis of my observations. And all of them are only my opinion for what it's worth. And I have been observing for over 15 years.
- Not sure number of fish returning is significantly higher than last year, I think in my case I have hit conditions on the Pa tribs just right.

-After the last two seasons of drastically fewer numbers of fish and this season still up in the air, why are so many guys keeping their limit??? Is the mindset "well if this is all there is I'm getting mine"

-The very clever new ploy on the Pa tribs of a guy jumping right into your spot when you take off to fight a hooked fish AND upon your return telling you "he saw some guys eying it up and was saving it for you". Really. Thanks. That happened to me and my buddy same afternoon fishing several hundred feet apart by different guys {we think different guys}

-Fish are bigger on westside tribs???

-More guys friendlier in general.

-Pinners! On Pa tribs. Come on two good pinners can work the entire length of the Legion Hole,upper and lower, right.

-Met some Canadians good guys but can you stay in Canada please. Don't they know that Canada is the USA largest National Park! So the fishing should be good up there .

- The Russians Or Eastern Europeans I guess, not to single any one group out. Using like 8-9 wgt flyrods with winches and 15Lb maxima and traditional tandem salmon hooks, HMMM must have thought they were on the Gaula. BUT no they were snagging! I was dying to challenge them when they attempted to keep a snagged fish but the fishgods was unkind to them they lost each one they snagged.



Oh yeah how did I lose my designation of expert angler? Novice angler. At least give some street cred!





-Visiting those two tribs on days when the water was high and stained just the right color reminds me why I fell in love with them and steelheading. There just too crowded most of the time, for me to fish, regularly.

Thats all I have. Comments are welcome. Have a good season

 
This has to be the most Racist post I ever read on this website.  

ORIGINAL: chartist1

All I can say talk about is my personal experience this year. I walked Elk from the route 5 tubes upstream to the trestle upstream of the legion hole. I found the fish numbers to be low on Elk....20 mile creek had a good number of fish.....Thinking of fishing the weekend prior to thanksgiving and if I do, it will be 20 mile creek only....Tired of driving 35 miles from the green roof inn to 20 mile because I want to stay somewhat centrally located.

Great! Glad to hear that. (see previous post)

Elks doing just fine this year. I've seen tons of fish getting caught.

Stay East. :)

"back to normal" is relative , I reckon .

Numbers have been off (compared to the hay days of 10 years ago) for 5-6   years now
But there are good numbers of fish ..you just don't trip over bazzillons  of  them EVERYWHERE you go on  the creek like in  the Ole Dayz of '97 to '04

you can still trip over fish, just not in EVERY run, wash and pot hole like before


us "Old Timers" know you have street cred, Neo
we know you're one of the "OG's" here


..L.T.A.

Some people say"I walked 5 miles up Elk Creek and only saw 3 fish." You don't see them all.Some people say "I was at the Legion Hole on Tuesday with 50 fish in it and went back Wednesday and they were all gone.I saw 6 people with fish on yellow ropes.It's fished out.We need a 2 fish limit." They move!A TON of the fish are still out in the lake.The fishery is not collapsing in spite of the worries of armchair fishing biologists.

ORIGINAL: steeLpunishment

some guy said all the fish are stocked on the eastside now becauz of the new fSh ladder

hopethishelps

Uh huh!


Wintergreen Gorge is loaded! You and Chartist should head up there!
Great SITE fishing.



And : Welcome to the SIGHT!

ORIGINAL: chartist1

I walked Elk from the route 5 tubes upstream to the trestle upstream of the legion hole.

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