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2011/10/27 12:29:56 (permalink)

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Not sure who posed the "Why" regarding the new PFD requirement for cold weather months, but I do believe I have found some answers.  After some research and some personal communication, here is what I discovered:
 
1. Research shows (them Canucks are so smart) that surviving a sudden "dive" into cold water is greatly enhanced if one is wearing a PFD.  There appears to be this "1:10:1 Rule."  For the first minute being thrown into cold water, the person is disoriented and may "gulp" in large volumes of water.  After a minute or so, the individual calms down and begins to get their faculties together.  Then, after becoming aware, the use of limbs for swimming may only be functional for about 10 minutes.  After that things become less and less useful.  Finally, one may begin to expereince hypothermiam after about an hour in cold water.  That is, IF they are wearing a PFD.  Hypothermia can set much sooner if one is without a PFD.  Whi8ch leads to #2.
 
2. If one cannot get out of water quickly, or if the shore is too far to swim to, one should assume the HELP position (Heat Escape Lessening Position).  This position is very similar to a fetal position with hands held very close to the body.  A PFD certainly helps in keeping one afloat while assuming this position.
 
3. Given that a PFD is required anyway, it was believed that mandating one to wear it is not necessarily a hardship.
 
Given all the ways that a person can die, I certainly would not want to go this way.

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    dano
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 12:42:59 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Grendel
    ......For the first minute being thrown into cold water......
    ......Given all the ways that a person can die, I certainly would not want to go this way.

     
    I was ready to throw somebody in last week. And no, he wasn't a pinner.
    Never dawned on me that the dude could die.
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 12:53:04 (permalink)
    Dano!  Never thought of you as the violent type!!!!!!

    The strength of a person isn't measured by the muscle in their arm or how tall they stand, but rather, by the amount of knowledge and area of versatility they can cover. CM ~ 1987

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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 12:58:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Grendel

    Not sure who posed the "Why" regarding the new PFD requirement for cold weather months, but I do believe I have found some answers.  After some research and some personal communication, here is what I discovered:

    1. Research shows (them Canucks are so smart) that surviving a sudden "dive" into cold water is greatly enhanced if one is wearing a PFD.  There appears to be this "1:10:1 Rule."  For the first minute being thrown into cold water, the person is disoriented and may "gulp" in large volumes of water.  After a minute or so, the individual calms down and begins to get their faculties together.  Then, after becoming aware, the use of limbs for swimming may only be functional for about 10 minutes.  After that things become less and less useful.  Finally, one may begin to expereince hypothermiam after about an hour in cold water.  That is, IF they are wearing a PFD.  Hypothermia can set much sooner if one is without a PFD.  Whi8ch leads to #2.

    2. If one cannot get out of water quickly, or if the shore is too far to swim to, one should assume the HELP position (Heat Escape Lessening Position).  This position is very similar to a fetal position with hands held very close to the body.  A PFD certainly helps in keeping one afloat while assuming this position.

    3. Given that a PFD is required anyway, it was believed that mandating one to wear it is not necessarily a hardship.

    Given all the ways that a person can die, I certainly would not want to go this way.



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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 13:01:37 (permalink)
    "Given all the ways that a person can die, I certainly would not want to go this way. "

    have heard its kinda painless after the initial bodytemp drop

    but i do know there are much worse ways to die
    mentally as well as phisically

    hopeidontevRfindout


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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 13:06:59 (permalink)
    but i do know there are much worse ways to die
    mentally as well as phisically


    Every successive rule and regulation is another small death in itself. They all add up to make modern life intolerable for people who just want to be left alone.

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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 13:52:14 (permalink)
    what he said ^

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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 14:50:42 (permalink)
    +2
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 15:27:36 (permalink)
    Now, now fellas. Daddy Government knows best.
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 15:33:00 (permalink)

    "Part of being a Leftist is the smug conviction that you and people like you are smart, while everyone else is stupid and/or evil"
    - T. Fleming
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/27 16:36:06 (permalink)
    Mustang Suits are the cats' t'ts in the fall winter and spring. A very nice way to stay warm and safe.

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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/28 10:51:52 (permalink)
    Chris,
     
    There are some pretty sweet looking  flotation jackets out there on the market.  I have a nicecamo one that I uses during the late fall and winter months.
     
    Doc

    The strength of a person isn't measured by the muscle in their arm or how tall they stand, but rather, by the amount of knowledge and area of versatility they can cover. CM ~ 1987

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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/28 23:07:49 (permalink)
    please society and ghost that control
    protect me from my self and life in general
    shield me from any injury or accident
    entomb me in your protection


    dam..that looks like it needs to be part of song


    I the percussion section covered












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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/29 07:55:16 (permalink)
    Dang dude. Got enough cymbals?
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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/29 08:29:23 (permalink)
    where is that Dio pinner dude?
    he's probably leaking in his acid washes over that




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    RE: An Answer 2011/10/29 10:56:21 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: genieman77

    please society and ghost that control
    protect me from my self and life in general
    shield me from any injury or accident
    entomb me in your protection


    dam..that looks like it needs to be part of song


    I the percussion section covered












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    but, have you banged heds with kerry kiNg?

    i havE


    in yur homestate

    serious genieman

    sLaYer

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