Somethings starting to stir

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2011/08/23 17:33:34 (permalink)

Somethings starting to stir

I see the DSR is opening this Saturday instead of the 27th. Maybe they know something is going on, or they just need money faster. Anywho a friend who is a guide caught two sharks last week above the village, sorry no pics Tuna

Stress is just one hookset away from being gone.
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    Cohookhead
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 17:41:13 (permalink)
    Wow did I mess up, so busy with everything forgot what week Im on. Hate it when that happens

    Stress is just one hookset away from being gone.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 17:43:15 (permalink)
    Thats OK Coho- it was the Shark info that mattered anyhow.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 18:46:11 (permalink)
    no prob bro --- you fit right in here if you don't know what day it is...

    Anyone know if the charter boats are closing in on the shoreline?
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 19:44:49 (permalink)
    Hey hook; I bet the guy I mentionedlast week is the same that you are referring to

    But I got burned at the stake for mentioning it...lol
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 21:38:46 (permalink)
    Actually the lucky angler was a female, hint, wink. Drake the site exploring I've done on my lunch breaks have revealed salmon and trout being caught 60-80 foot inside of 100. The real kicker is the marking of schools of fish and none hitting anything. The fish seem to have developed lockjaw, maybe getting near time for a burst of river runners. Also heard of some really big hybrids, no not cars, king\coho mixes. Hope it helps. I also think Jim Cantore is coming to NY so we're bound to get wet.

    Stress is just one hookset away from being gone.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/23 23:55:40 (permalink)
    She's a coming and we're all going to get VERY wet.Remember that 20000 cfs last year!
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 13:41:28 (permalink)
    heard a hybrid king coho 34 lbs was caught yesterday from a boat. anyone hear that one?
    cant wait. someone let me know even just pm when kings are in decent.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 16:57:16 (permalink)
    That's what im talking about. I have a 24 pounder on the wall. They seem to run bigger and the colors are awesome

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 17:14:21 (permalink)
    How do you ID a hybred King/Coho ?---didnt know that happened
      Caught some real nice sized Hos all colored up in late Oct into Dec in the last 2 seasons- startin to wonder. In the past my Hos seemed to be up to the mid teens but some of these later ones were bigger by far.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/24 17:16:40
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 17:30:58 (permalink)
    I saw a guy land a beautiful Coho that looked to be the same size as the 20lb Mudshark I was landing in a creek to the west. The colors were magnificent. This was before I learned they don't usually get that big. ??????
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 17:36:38 (permalink)
    from the article in the post standard... quite simple actualy... wink wink, nod, nod

    The reason, Bishop said, was that the fish was actually a hybrid — a cross between a coho and its larger cousin, a chinook (king) salmon. That was determined, Bishop said, by cutting a small slice in the fish’s belly and pulling out its pyloric caeca — finger-shaped pouches located where the intestine and the stomach meet.

    Bishop said the number of pyloric caeca ranges from 53 to 80 in cohos and 124 to 209 in chinooks. The fish Rudisil brought to the DEC office had a pyloric caeca count in the 94-100 range.

    “We counted it three times,” Bishop said. “It’s clearly right in between a coho and a chinook.”

    In addition, the fish's caudal fin had typical characteristics of a chinook and an anal fin typical of a coho, said David Lemon, the DEC's Regional fisheries manager.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 21:17:36 (permalink)
       Startin wonder if this is happenin a LOT- dont know if I should be happy bout a new breed  but have been c/r too many biguns that are all colored up beautiful so I'll be happy. I target them - to be honest- mid oct to mid Nov often stead of Steel and Kings. Been kinda keepin that to myself till now.
       For the clinch question - can they breed or do they just happen now and then- from what I'v seen up river in mid to late season for a coupla years now  very large Hos are in good supply. They are as big as a large  King but look much darker in the water. Red stripe like ya took a paint brush to them.
         Of course what I'v been seeing may just be very much more mature Hos than in the past but the high teens into 20 are  regular compared to the "big 12 ta 14s' of the past. I seeum regular too not just now and again in 'my spots'. Late season I expect to seeum  each trip.
         Recall bringing a 12 male to a cleaning station once and the guy skinned it out to mount -they were not in good supply back then.
      Have thought for a few years now that it was just that they have really established themselves in the system and were reaching their max size range -that might still be whats up- this is a new twist.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/24 21:28:48
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 21:34:27 (permalink)
    Crap- those Big Salmons I was into last year may have been hybreds. They were huge, but looked like Coho (I tailed a few for peoples- mine all went for the rapids). I wonder if they can reproduce?

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 21:38:17 (permalink)
    Hard as a beoutch to tail a true hoe--at least the ones that swim ;)


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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 21:45:49 (permalink)
    These were suicide fish who went to the shallows behind me when hooked. I guess it was more like holding them down. Def 18-20 pounds and not true Kings. None of the fish I had on were Kings either. Whatever they were they were dam strong. Had the head of a Coho but way big. That day haunts me.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 21:54:44 (permalink)
    generally when the true hoes come in they're all like 5-10 lbs bright silver--and the next thing u know there's reports of a steelie run---LOL


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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 22:43:05 (permalink)
    I seen guys catch them. These were a totally different beastie. Def. not total Kings. Man, that's a revelation. I hadn't thought about it much but am 99.999% sure they had to be hybreds I ran into that day. What threw me was the head shape I guess.Maybe I had considered this then and forgot. That was a year and about 2000 vicodin ago.

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 22:57:44 (permalink)
    I would suppose the real question here- before we declare a new breed of fish- as opposed to  a rare or unlikely mismatch between the odd couple- is exactly what is the max size of a HO in this system.
       I commonly talk bout what I call the tipping point where fish suddenly turn up in big numbers as they have become established enough to have a healthy reproducing population in a system- The Hos numbers have jumped and now we see bigger fish. They are (from an expert) reproducing at bout 50/50 hatchery and natural so much is possible but lets not just jump up and declare all big hos as something else----YET.

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 23:11:36 (permalink)

    Sounds like you hit a run of hybrids salmo...they've been around for about 5 years or more now, so wouldn't be surprised

    And yes they are reproducing between the species......ie: hybrid

    tight lines,

    and more to come.......

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 23:28:19 (permalink)
    But once crossed, 1 and done.. Hybrids themselves don't reproduce

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 23:29:28 (permalink)
       The larger ones I commonly see are very dark- almost black looking in the water- They show up right away -even with Kings nearby you can tell the difference by color but not size-
    Dont really see the  great red wide side stripe unless the sun is just right. Cause of the very dark color I used  to think they were Kings that were going over the hill and just no white spots yet.
    When out of the water they arent quite a dark as one would think when seen IN the water. The males can have the long teeth of a King.
      Come to think of it the 12 pound full spawn Hos of old had the big arch on their backs along with the Walrus nose and these big guys do not have that big hump. Those 12s also used to be kinda green looking on their backs too - not like these biggies. These are darker backed.
       I have never knowingly caught a hen - just a lot of large males and have never observed them spawning.
       
      Salmo- your mailbox is full - sent you one you might like.-dont know if the box took it.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/24 23:39:02
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 23:39:07 (permalink)

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/24 23:57:13 (permalink)
    I found this pic. of a Chinny/Coho on the webs via capt. Troy's site. This is what I ran into last Sept. on that awesome day. The Hybrid. Note the spot burn backround!!!....
    post edited by salmotrutta - 2011/08/24 23:59:31

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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/25 00:02:52 (permalink)
    Seein the picture ya CAN detect the humpy back - not anywhere near pronounced as the ones half that size though. Likem more later on when they color up.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/25 00:03:49
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/25 02:50:16 (permalink)
    That fish is pretty colored up for the lake... I can see the king in it by looking at its head and its tail....
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/25 07:37:40 (permalink)
    If I wasn't like a monkey doing a math problem I would put up a pic of the one on the wall. The head is like a coho with a gonzo type kype. A hump on the back and the colors are a golden brown back with a light blending purple on the sides, inside the mouth is all white. I was able to tail it barely. The fight was a mix of holding ground and explosive jumps and almost steelhead like runs. By far more fun than a plain king.

    Stress is just one hookset away from being gone.
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    RE: Somethings starting to stir 2011/08/25 09:39:57 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: salmotrutta

    Note the spot burn backround!!!....


    I didn't know the Susquehanna river was that wide in Harrisburg.
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