Loomis
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Keystone Power Dam
The past few times I have been out the fishing has been quite slow, I have heard this is attributed to Amish keeping too many fish, but it just doesn't add up. Does anybody fish this lake for walleye?
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/22 11:45:36
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for me its always tough to fish once the water starts going down...always did the best in may and june.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/22 16:56:09
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Had a decent day a couple weeks ago up in the upper end for bass and a couple little muskies out of the kayaks. Sorry, can't help with the walleyes.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/24 11:18:25
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loom - i think it's postulated that the cause of keystone turning into the dead sea is that the amish guys - and there are lots of them - have devastated the panfish population which are the food base for all larger predtory fish. they can legally keep tons of gills, crappies and perch, grind them up (bones, guts and all) to make fish patties. i used to go there to specifically target panfish - now it's a waste of time. for walleye, the only technique i heard that works is to troll hot-n-tots over the deeper areas - mainly very early or very late in the day. and the walleye caught seem to all be large - very few small ones - not a good sign for the future. i hope the commission does a electro-netting study there - i think there'll be a significant change from the last one. my prediction is that they'll find a few very large walleye and smallmouth but very few panfish. phish
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/26 08:43:50
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phish I could see that happening. I had no idea they were allowed to keep so many fish, there certainly are a lot of them there that is for sure, it just looks like perfect water to hold some big fish. We fished it on Saturday and marked solid schools of bait and fish at around 30 feet, but no success. I have heard the crappies aren't there anymore like they used to be either. That is a shame, it's a really nice body of water that is for sure. Thanks for the info.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/29 17:50:31
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tons of smelt in there.............i am not sure just how large they get, but i would think they provide a good food base etc.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/30 18:28:58
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how do you know there's tons of smelt in there? what evidence have you seen?
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/30 19:13:36
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Caught my biggest walleye years ago in that body of water working the weeds in the shallow end of that lake.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/08/31 16:48:13
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tons of smelt...........ice fishing flasher goes nutts. actually able to catch them and re-use them for bait etc.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/07 10:45:52
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Okay fellas here is the low down on Keystone have lived 2 miles away from it and fished it my entire life(33yrs). First off there is a super large population of rainbow smelt in that lake the perfect fatty high protien forage for any pan or gamefish. Secondly the the fishing pressure from those who do not practice catch and release has definatley effected the quality and quanity of fish in that lake, the amish amoung others have played what I believe to biggest factor to the lakes decline. Thirdly when Keystone had a nice population of harvestable and short walleye it was due to the stocking program the state had, they used to put several thousand fingerlings (4-6 inches) in the lake each year, they stopped that program in 1997 and have continuously put only fry walleye and fingling/fry tiger muskey in the lake. It is true about the size of the walleye though...when you do luck into one they are normally rather large and healthy. I normally catch half a dozen or so in the early spring while fishing for crappie. I hope this helps....kinda sad that what was once a great fishery has turned into a fair fishery at best....the smallmouth are the most prodominate species in the lake, a little more difficult for the amish to chase down I suspect.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 11:46:07
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the commission tested keystone in spring 2008 - the report soulds like the lake is loaded with large predatory fish: http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/fisheries/afm/2008/2x08_12keystone.htm not sure people who've fished there for years would agree. note also that smelt were stocked in the 70's and also note the following from various university sources: Decreased Populations of Large Sport Fish Rainbow Smelt were originally introduced to inland lakes as a baitfish for the more sought after sport fish such as Salmon Trout, and Walleye. However, this planned prey food source has ended up becoming a predator as well. Smelt have actually damaged the large sport fish populations in two ways. First, the adult smelt actually prey on the young sport fish. This added source of predation has decreased the abundance of sport fish in many ecosystems. The other negative effect of Smelt is that that as young of year fish the smelt directly compete with the young sport fish for the limited supply of zooplankton. Economic Benefits and Downfalls When the Rainbow Smelt populations began to explode in inland lakes the numbers of many recreational sport fish began to decline. For those who sought these prized sport fish this was a terrible outcome when the original reason for transporting smelt in was to increase the population levels of the desired fish. However, a economic benefit did arise from the situation. As the populations of Rainbow Smelt continued to increase, the numbers reached a high enough level to make commercial fishing for Smelt profitable. This along with an increased popularity of recreational fishing for smelt has helped to control their numbers. Recreational fishing can prove very effective either as winter time ice fishing, or more commonly during the spawning season when hundreds of thousands of Rainbow Smelt rush up lake tributaries to spawn. During these spawns many people will gather around streams with huge seines to pull in hundreds of the tasty fish. Effects on the Ecosystem Rainbow Smelt populations that are found in inland lakes can have negative effects on the lake community. The smelt concentrates PCBs in its fatty tissue, and magnifies it through the food chain. High mercury levels also accumulate in the top food chain predators.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 12:29:58
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What are the water levels like after all this rain?
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 13:15:56
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Looks like I found a new spot for flathead bait... Anyone try cut smelt for cats? What can you catch em on, sabiki?
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 14:06:57
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forget the flats fry them smelts up
REMEMBER HOW MUCH FUN YOUR FIRST BIG ONE WAS. TAKE A KID FISHING
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 15:43:07
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They are a really fatty oily fish...probabley pretty good for the cats, but this time of year you have to chase the smelt and get them with a legal sized cast net....make sure it is legal because they do watch this lake often. In the winter you can catch they by the dozens through the ice...we normally fry them up right there um um good heads and all.
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 15:55:56
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Can't be caught on hook and line (w/o snagging) ?
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RE: Keystone Power Dam
2011/09/08 18:28:19
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ORIGINAL: ecca Okay fellas here is the low down on Keystone have lived 2 miles away from it and fished it my entire life(33yrs). First off there is a super large population of rainbow smelt in that lake the perfect fatty high protien forage for any pan or gamefish. Secondly the the fishing pressure from those who do not practice catch and release has definatley effected the quality and quanity of fish in that lake, the amish amoung others have played what I believe to biggest factor to the lakes decline. Thirdly when Keystone had a nice population of harvestable and short walleye it was due to the stocking program the state had, they used to put several thousand fingerlings (4-6 inches) in the lake each year, they stopped that program in 1997 and have continuously put only fry walleye and fingling/fry tiger muskey in the lake. It is true about the size of the walleye though...when you do luck into one they are normally rather large and healthy. I normally catch half a dozen or so in the early spring while fishing for crappie. I hope this helps....kinda sad that what was once a great fishery has turned into a fair fishery at best....the smallmouth are the most prodominate species in the lake, a little more difficult for the amish to chase down I suspect. Thank you for the info. I fished this lake when I was young around 1998 and remember doing very well on some good sized walleye and largemouth, they seemed very plentiful. This makes sense with what you are saying. I have seen a good number of amish there thankfully I don't see them leaving with much. It is confusing to not catch fish there for the looks of it. Again, thank you.
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