draketrutta
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3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
new law passed,,, I can finally employ my custom 3-rod belt holder and effectively backtroll plugs in the mighty SR without a boat !!! and some of you folks think that pinners are incredulous!!! just wait..... COMMING DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hot tuna
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 11:55:11
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drake where did this information come from ? I seen no mention on dec website as to new regulations..
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 11:58:56
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Drake; are you sure that reg doesn't only apply to the estuaries????
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draketrutta
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 11:58:59
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 12:55:28
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite Drake; are you sure that reg doesn't only apply to the estuaries???? I would assume it would be a state wide reg if it is in fact passed.. Most regulation changes are on a 2 year cycle based on the rule book publications.. The next cycle is the 2012-14.. Usually only emergency or special regulations happen in off cycles..
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 14:18:21
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well i found this on finder.. i think 3 rods is a joke and cant believe they waste my tax dollars paying for all the crap that went into this.. BILL NUMBER:S2462B TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the environmental conservation law, in relation to authorizing angling by a single individual with up to three lines in freshwater; and providing for the repeal of such provisions upon expiration thereof PURPOSE: This legislation would authorize an individual to angle for fish with up to 3 lines in freshwater. SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS: Amends section 11-0103 of the Environmental Law to change the number of lines one person may operate from not more than three, with or without rod in freshwater. This act shall expire and be deemed repealed December 31, 2013. JUSTIFICATION: This new 3-rod rule is designed to favorably impact a fisherman's experience by increasing his probability of catching a fish. Catching a fish enhances angler satisfaction more than any other factor and is the prime determinant in deciding whether or not to make return visits to the fisheries of New York. Return visits to the fishery are a boon to the local economies. Return trips mean more money spent locally for fuel, food, lodging, launches, parking, and rentals. The 3-rod rule will not guarantee that people catch more fish; rather it will give them the potential to locate the fish a little easier. The small crewed boats, the 'weekend warrior', the recreationalist, the vacationer, the retired couple who have saved up for a boat and now have the time and health to use it will all benefit from this. It does not mean they must use 3 rods, it will mean they can use 3 rods per person, whether they are operated from land or from a boat, if they so choose. New Jersey and Michigan both have a 3-rod rule, to which they have continued to see a favorable impact to their recreational fisherman. In addition, the 3-rod rule will not exploit the fishery since exploitation is constrained by creel limits that would still be in effect. LEGISLATIVE HISTORY: Same as S5453. FISCAL IMPLICATIONS: None. EFFECTIVE DATE: Immediately. Aug 17, 2011: SIGNED CHAP.455 Aug 5, 2011: DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR Jun 16, 2011: returned to senate Jun 16, 2011: passed assembly Jun 16, 2011: ordered to third reading rules cal.325 Jun 16, 2011: substituted for a3480b Jun 16, 2011: referred to codes Jun 16, 2011: RETURNED TO ASSEMBLY Jun 16, 2011: REPASSED SENATE Jun 13, 2011: AMENDED ON THIRD READING (T) 2462B Jun 1, 2011: AMENDED ON THIRD READING (T) 2462A Jun 1, 2011: VOTE RECONSIDERED - RESTORED TO THIRD READING May 31, 2011: returned to senate May 31, 2011: RECALLED FROM ASSEMBLY Mar 10, 2011: referred to environmental conservation Mar 10, 2011: DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY Mar 10, 2011: PASSED SENATE Mar 3, 2011: ADVANCED TO THIRD READING Mar 2, 2011: 2ND REPORT CAL. Mar 1, 2011: 1ST REPORT CAL.106 Jan 21, 2011: REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 14:22:09
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WoW, Im gonna need a bigger boat!
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 15:05:28
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However you can fish with more than 3 rods if: Standing on one foot; patting yourself on the head; and rubbing your stomach..................Let the people fish already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 15:38:41
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I oughtta try fly castin with two rods; i can dead drift with one and swing with the other...
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/20 16:01:42
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Their reasoning for promoting tourism is the most ridiculous argument EVER !!! That coming after they raised the out of state license fee to $70.00.. Yea that was justified.. So they can pay themselves to rule on these dumb ,stupid regs..
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 20:26:56
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Lets fact it- they are in all common sense and reasonable likely hood talking bout the guy with the lawn chair and some bait on a bobber or bottom fishing some easy access pond. Sittin there with his cooler and the rods all propped up on little forked sticks in front of him so he wont have to walk to get at them. Seriously now-- some guy with one in his hand and two sticking off a belt holder out in a run on the SR ?-- dont think so. BTW -talk bout fishin fees- I get a Super Sportsman each year -over $250
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 20:44:55
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ORIGINAL: retired guy     Lets fact it- they are in all common sense and reasonable likely hood talking bout the guy with the lawn chair and some bait on a bobber or bottom fishing some easy access pond. Sittin there with his cooler and the rods all propped up on little forked sticks in front of him so he wont have to walk to get at them. Seriously now-- some guy with one in his hand and two sticking off a belt holder out in a run on the SR ?-- dont think so.  BTW -talk bout fishin fees- I get a Super Sportsman each year -over $250 RT, I disagree.. I think it is directed toward the charters or boating guides giving their clients more opportunity to have more rods out giving them more fish , even after the limit they can C & R ... Most of which buy a 1 day or 7 day license.. The beer drinking, lawn chair, cooler guy aint going to pay those ridiculous out of state (not saying they are the only ones) license fees.. They are going to fish where ever , how ever they want any way...
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 20:47:59
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ORIGINAL: hot tuna Their reasoning for promoting tourism is the most ridiculous argument EVER !!! That coming after they raised the out of state license fee to $70.00.. Yea that was justified.. So they can pay themselves to rule on these dumb ,stupid regs.. You didn't use political math. 2 rods is 35 bucks a rod . Now it 'll only be 23.33!!!!!!!! That's a bargain! And you thought they were being greedy. If you're from out of state, you must be dumb as a box of rocks, and obviously an amateur fisherman, to use only one rod. Thank God, our politicians are such avid sportsman and have the lowdown.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 20:57:03
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ORIGINAL: fichy ORIGINAL: hot tuna Their reasoning for promoting tourism is the most ridiculous argument EVER !!! That coming after they raised the out of state license fee to $70.00.. Yea that was justified.. So they can pay themselves to rule on these dumb ,stupid regs.. You didn't use political math. 2 rods is 35 bucks a rod . Now it 'll only be 23.33!!!!!!!! That's a bargain! And you thought they were being greedy. If you're from out of state, you must be dumb as a box of rocks, and obviously an amateur  fisherman,  to use only one rod. Thank God, our politicians are such avid sportsman and have the lowdown. Right on !! Thank goodness there are still some old dirty Hippies around.. They didn't all but 3 piece suits on.. Well, lets only hope..
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 21:00:38
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I imagine the oswego wall fisherman are gonna be pretty stoked over this. Now in the middle of december they can now sit in their cars and watch 3 rods instead of 2....
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 21:04:09
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To be honest I never gave a thought to the boat guys on the river. Have seen so many come by with that Porkypine look that I have never counted them up and divided by the number of fishermen. Do dat incluyde da guide too? Back when they were using those wiggley orange thingies with the big hook dangling a coula inches behind they used ta have a real nice spread slowly travelling through all the beds and holes. No stone throwin in any way here. That was just the way it was done and it appeared there were always a few rods out.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 21:20:18
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RT--more so on the lake ;)
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 21:44:12
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Right, raising license fees and high gas prices shoot any tourism in the USA in the foot!
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 22:00:48
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I agree that it is more about lake charters. The captain,mate and let's say only two customers can now put out a 12 spread and cover more water = catch more fish. Pesonally I have my hands full with one rod and two in the truck.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 22:06:45
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yup charters for sure and I’d bet a few over zealous folks will try it from a drift boat as well. Lets not forget about us striper and ice fishers also.. Dead sticking 3 ice rods & 5 tip-ups or tossing 3 chunky herring over board will be the norm now for many ppl.. Crazy I tell ya , just plain crazy...
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/21 23:20:37
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Can just imagine a drift boat coming through the soft waters with 3 or 4 rods out the front and a few side planers working the edges. Dont really think too many will try more than the several they now use= just aint practical for the rocks and eddys Now on the lake- some of those boats are so loaded with lines I honestly dont know how they can manage a hookup. If they wanna try more - hey tough it out guys -have a ball. From what I see they have the ability to take a lot of fish right now. While we river guys are somewhat limited in creel limits by comparison. Not that I keep -but just pointing it out.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/08/22 08:07:47
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Can fish 3 rods but still can't fish 2 flies or an articulated fly with two hooks in NY. Whatever.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/10/31 11:58:17
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As I understand it, the NY 3-rod rule does not apply to saltwater fishing, just freshwater. Apparently there was some dissent among the Striper fishermen. What about PA? There was talk back around 2008 of legalizing a 3rd rod in PA back then. Did anything ever come of it? It was a long journey for the New Yorkers, the debate got tossed around for years between the NY senate and one sub-commitee after another. before it finally happened in August 2011.
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and some of them don't even know that they're dead.......and some of them can't grasp the fact that they're on ignore.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/10/31 13:35:12
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you can only use 2 dead sticks/jigging rods still icee fishing for some reason they didnt include icefishing with the rule
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/10/31 13:49:22
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Excellent rule for us bank angling carpers. but now I need a 3 rod pod.
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/11/01 07:02:59
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As pointed out before, captain, mate, and 2 anglers is a 12 rod spread, 25% more chance to hit a fish. If I am trolling alone from a 12 or 14 foot boat in the Fulton Chain, I can easily run a downrigger with a Sutton or mooselick, a surface rod with a lake clear and a streamer, and a leadcore with another spoon. Varying line lengths and using keel sinkers, I could easily get another line into that set without tangles. In the past I've been tempteed to use a carpool lane dummy, but the ECO's in the 'daks have no sense of humor. My chances of a hookup just went up 33% with this law. And if I am worm dunking for Brookies and bullheads in one of the rare ponds where you can get more than one line off shore, again more coverage of the water. As for the tribs, they are covered by Special Regs to begin with. L13
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RE: 3 Rod Rule in NY is now Legal
2011/11/01 15:43:41
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Sand spikers off Gstone creek at Selkirk!
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