Wader - using your logic, I could stretch it to think that the litterbugs are paying off the mayors along the river so they won't place/maintain garbage cans or dumpsters along the river for a few months.

I can give a few more examples that won't cost squat in relation to the tax revenues collected.

Like I said b4 - IMO there are some common sense parts of doin business that do not exist up there.

your missing my point - it doesn't help much when the town officials/business owners did nothing more than collect/gouge money and put up "no" signs (too little, too late)

they (and the non-player local residents) reap what was sowed.

Like Wader said---fishermen contribute very little to MOST locals(aside from gas/food choices)---the town does pretty well with the campers from Memorial-Labor ;)

Wader-
  I'm a retired L/E who got into politics later in life- have been elected 3 times now to local office-they are now looking to me to become our Majority leader in a town of over 50,000 pop. with a ceremonial Mayor -strong Council Govt.   
       Not braggin just to point out I have some limited experience with taxation revenue and its effect on local conditions. Our gross budget is well over  $ 200.000,000 plus grants.
   Business is the cornerstone of a local Govt's expendable income cause it generally costs the Govt little to nothing to support said business. The greatest cost to a local Govt is Education and residential development.- thats why I keep bringing it up in my statements. Business does not have kids and generally fends for itself with  maintainence issues. Its cost to a City is minimal.
  EX- you pay gross of 4,000 annual property taxes and generally about 60% is for school--$2,4,00. You got 3 kids at a general average cost per pupil of around $10,000- Govt looses on you.- not to mention all the other services your taxes pay for. They just lost even bigger. In other words you contribute nothing to the PD, Highway and other Depts as long as your kids are there and then for years after till =your taxation reaches the  fulcrum point. Then your old and sell to somebody else with kids.
  Town Govts usually HATE housing developments cause they mean higher municipal costs with lower municipal income- even after the tax income. They LOVE business increases cause they bear little or no municipal cost and actually do produce expendable income.
    Business also pays school tax even though they have no kids and even though most business have far more value than your home- therefore imagine what your school tax would be if only the residential folks were actually paying the whole bill. A decent point is that the local school tax is usually only bout half the REAl cost since the State kicks in so many education dollars too.
    One would easily imagine that 'the strip' from Pulaski to the new Lumber Yard brings in just about as many dollars as most all the rest of the interior Town. New buildings, large buildings of all commercial description are there- most of which would fold without the dollars brought in by the Fishing Industry the SR provides.
But you say' oh local folks are there year round at many of those businesses" I agree- however how much Annual profit  do they make and how much of that is during Shark season? Without the huge input of resources Fishing brings most would fold quickly as their annual profit margin would decrease dramatically.
   There may be one or two store/gas stations left for example instead of the several now there. How many lost jobs where folks say they arent making thier lifestyle based on Fishing?  How many of those folks have both spouces working and the loss of one income means moving out cause they cant afford their home or even to live where there are no readily available jobs any longer?
A general population decrease of even high single digit proportions usually indicates a community is in dire straights fiscally and may not survive without HUGE tax increases at a time they can least 'afford' to have to make such a move-We are seeing this happen now across the country where business has failed for a variety of reasons an it aint pretty.
Could go on for a lot longer but thats enough to make the point.
  BTW Wader- please refrain with the ' under the table' stuff thats what folks resort to when their arguments are going nowhere- Trains have to blow their horns at and before all crossings by law nationwide - There are lots of little crossings in the area and sound carries at night.

slayer your right about that, 4 + months of dedicated campers 3 months if lucky, fishers.. The rest of the time, hunker down and freelance..

I have never seen as much alcohol sold for any other campgrounds on east coast then Stoneys & BB.. Holy cow,
The harvest fests when Vince Welnick & Missing Man , Max Creek ( do have the recordings too) & others played there .. Oh Brother..
Then ghetto (as I call it ) camping on Labor days at BB .. Crazy cart drivers


Let alone silly fishing season
One must stay busy bringing in the cases..

Are the fish running yet? LMFAO!!!!!

ORIGINAL: Cohookhead

Are the fish running yet? LMFAO!!!!!

laughing my azz off too....

  Wader- easy task = total amount of services to the Community by govt divided by the mill rate of the asesed value of gross taxable assets of that community.
When the taxable assests diminish the gross of services does not. The dif is the tax increase- plus cost increases of those services. Gas ,parts, labor, etc--
  Probably the worst example- or best depending how ya look at it -is Buffalo NY.== Huge population loss in the past decade or two  along with the corresponding great loss of business made the City very affordable to many without resources leading to huge cost increases in Education and municipal services at a time of huge diminishing tax revenue. Ergo much higher taxation leading to more egress by those able to afford to leave.
     Result- they cant give away houses over there. Same thing in Florida almost statewide- Know lotsa aging Snow Birds who are now trying to live in one state cause the trip and work of 2 homes is too much for them-they cant sell their properties at any price anymore.
Thats not all the present economy either- been coming for a long time now.
   Anyplace today with a built in revenue surce by nonresidents who dont stay and utilize municipal assets is unique and VERY lucky.
    Clearly the gross cost is only acceptable if you feel the place you are is that which you wish to remain for any personal reasons. Personally I like the Pulaski Altmar area very very much and chose it.
    NOT tryin ta argue about this stuff - its just the way it is. Dont think folks haveta run around kissin rude snagging litterbugs either just cause they spend a few bucks- Do think some folks should look at the whole picture though,
  This diminished access thing has been building for a long time now- The SR is simply not anywhere as available as it was well over 30 yrs ago when I first went there in my 30s. All things change with time but ----
 Hey -its still good enough for me to have bought up there a few years ago as a second place instead of someplace like Florida or the Carolinas ( they were on my short list)- just making some points that need to be made.

i'll second that slayer

ORIGINAL: metalslayer

On my end between there and Sandy Creek---I sold 24k(wholesale) of snacks that week---I do around 11k Columbus week.

you hiring????lmao...

While your equation may be simple without real numbers the bottom line---is it worth my hassle because of the taxes I save because of it----can't reasonably be determined.
Would it be worth it to only allow childless barren couples buy houses since they will be paying school tax but not using the system?
Only allow mcmansions to be built since they would because of area and number of electric outlets pay higher taxes?

My question, obviously badly written, was not was your house already there but rather was the camp you wrote about.
If you by a house at the end of a JFK runway complaining about the noise later is not an option.

As for Buffalo, yes it is a depressed area with little industry left for residents to work in.
Definately a hard sell but you also have to factor in that the gubmint there for years let the plants there get away with enviromental murder. Yards so covered by white ash inches deep in July that you could take the family Xmass pics.
Love canal where those same companies sold property with shallow buried 50 gallon drums of poison for the gov to make playgrounds on.
Fish still swimming in the big lake that even if they tasted good you shouldn't for health reasons eat.


I have never for a second doubted that you, or really any of the regulars here, have great respect for the residents and community.
Just feel that complaining about the no no signs is unjustified since it was those rude slob fishermen that brought the problem and while I dislike it as much as you I woun't blame the local homeowners for wanting to maintain some degree of peace, quiet and control over their neiborhoods.

Now on to the difference in atitude and access in Altmar verus Pulaski.
Pulaski was a full on village when the fishery came.
No public lands along the river to carve out parking lots like sportsmen (north and south),Tressle(north and south)Ellis cove, Pineville, the launch in Altmar and the north and south lots below the bridge.
Major difference between that and people parking in front of your house starting a zerodarkthirty, some that couldn;t care less about making noise and leaving their Micky D bags in your yard.
Also a higher percentage, because of the smaller population, of people living IN Altmar make a direct profit from the fishery.

OW now my typing finger is sore.

PS hoping to a least stop by and sayin hi during DB daze!