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2011/03/09 20:13:54 (permalink)

Gage

Can someone help explain the Brandy Run and Walnut Creek Gage?  What level and cfs is considered too high for fishing?  I'm only looking for a general explanation.  I'm hoping that by watching these gages it will help me decided if the 5 hour drive is worth it.  I've been fishing the Erie area for a few years and I know conditions can change quickly.  One day the stream will be high and muddy and the next day it can be prefect.
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    fisherofmen376
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/09 22:01:17 (permalink)
    about 4.5 feet high for the walnut gauge is good, i don't know about the brandy/elk one.


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    RE: Gage 2011/03/09 23:54:04 (permalink)
    Welcome to the madness.

    I posted this last year, it gives a visual idea of what the numbers mean.  There is no magic number, but at some point there is way too much water or not enough.

    http://forums.fishusa.com/m_343754/mpage_1/key_cfs/tm.htm#343798
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 07:39:01 (permalink)
    I just checked and saw 545cfs. That's too high. Now 25cfs would be too low. I'm guessing somewhere in between might be better.

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 07:59:35 (permalink)
    Is the USGS going to shut those off as well, like the Little J one?   See the South Central board.

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 08:19:38 (permalink)
    These are the gages at risk in PA.

    http://water.usgs.gov/osw/pa_base.html

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 08:44:03 (permalink)
    Thanks Bings.
     
    Any idea why some and not others?  The map seems to present a cluster in one area.

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 09:14:04 (permalink)
    unclejohnselkcreekcamp.com gives you live a webcam of elk.

    Brandy Run cfs discharge readings have been down for months, water is good when the GAGE height is around 1.7 or so. Personally I think its easier to judge the water based off the cfs for Brandy.

    I like how the USGS can't even spell GAUGE when it is used in proper context.
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 09:27:52 (permalink)
    I learned to use the guages through trial and error NOT from FishErie....and I've noticed that everyone seems to have different preferences in regards to the guage #s. For my fishing style, I prefer higher/murkier flows on the drop and I pay close attention to where the guage has been just before a planned outing. 1.7 isn't anywhere near what I like to fish best.

    According to dictionary.com:

    gage    /geɪdʒ/ Show Spelled
    [geyj] Show IPA

    –noun, verb (used with object), gaged, gag·ing. (chiefly in technical use)
    gauge.

    I think its like the difference between boro and borough?
    post edited by ShutUpNFish - 2011/03/10 09:33:54

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 15:10:45 (permalink)
    OK.  The numbers are starting to make a little better sense.  The GAGE or GAUGE reports for Brandy Run are 2.2 and 5.44 at Walnut at 2:30 p.m. today.  The Uncle Johns webcam gives me the feeling that current conditions are poor.  Is this a fair assessment using the numbers?
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 16:49:28 (permalink)
    Big lumps is high unfishable water,flat line for extended period is low and clear.Expand the time period to 30 days for a better comparison.Lots of rain like now will mean high water!
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 19:02:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DarDys

    Thanks Bings.

    Any idea why some and not others?  The map seems to present a cluster in one area.


    Shot an email to the USGS point man and asked what was the criterea for choosing a gage for closing and here was his reply.



    Gary,

    Thank you for sharing your interest in our streamgage network and the data it provides. We hear your voice and the voices of many others who rely on these data. The funding that is in question is part of an annual amount we receive to operate and maintain the sensing, recording, and transmitting equipment as well as maintain the integrity of the data. We are working diligently to recover some or all of the funding needed through other sources so that the operation of these streamgages can continue. We encourage you to voice your opinions to others who may be of assistance in this fund-recovery effort.

    The threatened streamgages are part of a federally funded program called the Susquehanna Flood Forecasting and Warning System. The annual operation and maintenance costs for the network of streamgages is partially funded by state agencies. The part of the operation and maintenance funding that is threatened was traditionally funded on an annual basis by Congressionally directed funding, commonly known as an earmark, to NOAA and the National Weather Service and, most recently, to the Susquehanna River Basin Commission. The federal government is currently operating under a Continuing Resolution which does not include any earmark funding. In addition, we do not expect earmark funding to be included in future Congressional budget allocations. No other logic was involved in determining which streamgages may be closed or operate at reduced servicing levels.

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/10 19:12:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ShutUpNFish

    I learned to use the guages through trial and error NOT from FishErie....and I've noticed that everyone seems to have different preferences in regards to the guage #s. For my fishing style, I prefer higher/murkier flows on the drop and I pay close attention to where the guage has been just before a planned outing. 1.7 isn't anywhere near what I like to fish best.

    According to dictionary.com:

    gage    /geɪdʒ/ Show Spelled
    [geyj] Show IPA

    –noun, verb (used with object), gaged, gag·ing. (chiefly in technical use)
    gauge.

    I think its like the difference between boro and borough?



    Thanks for looking that up. Now look up "creek" and "crick" and get back to me.

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/11 12:04:20 (permalink)
    cubic feet per second really differs from stream to stream

    Look at your lowest, highest, median, and mean.  Your median compared to the current should give you a general idea on how to judge what the conditions are like.

    one stream I fish is perfect at 500 cfs, the other is low at this rate... subjective.

    I agree w. the others, look at the webcam, write down the conditions (high/muddy), and compare this to the current discharge in one of the two values (feet or cfs). 
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    RE: Gage 2011/03/11 14:16:04 (permalink)
    crick    /krɪk/ Show Spelled
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    –noun
    1. a sharp, painful spasm of the muscles, as of the neck or back.
    –verb (used with object)
    2. to give a crick or wrench to (the neck, back, etc.).
    Use crick in a Sentence
    See images of crick
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    No relation to "creek"


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    RE: Gage 2011/03/11 15:34:46 (permalink)
    Gage
    -proper name
    -creepy little kid from pet cemetery




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    RE: Gage 2011/03/11 16:37:23 (permalink)
    That movie still freaks me out

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    RE: Gage 2011/03/11 17:36:18 (permalink)
    I wanna play wich yooooooooo.

    I don't always snag fish, but when I do...
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