Dietz on Deer ===
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Dietz on Deer ===
QDMA founder has message of hope for Pa. deer hunters Published: March 6, 2011 Quality Deer Management Association founder Joe Hamilton makes a point during the question-and-answer portion of his presentation on the state of the deer herd and deer hunting in Pennsylvania last weekend in Allentown ALLENTOWN - Maybe it is true that one has to be looking in from the outside to see how good things are for those on the inside. During a rewarding journalistic career that spanned more than five decades of covering scholastic sports, I found that was often the case when athletes and coaches were more appreciated by opponents than their home fans. That certainly is the case when talking about any-and-all aspects of whitetail deer in Pennsylvania. As this is an outdoors column, I'll cut to the chase and focus on the hardcore hook-and-bullet subject of hunting deer. And, quite frankly, I've just about reached the fed-up-to-here point of having people tell me - including friends, fellow outdoors writers and, yes, even members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission board of game commissioners - how bad deer hunting is in Pennsylvania. Well, last weekend, Quality Deer Management Association founder Joe Hamilton brought a different message to those attending his presentation "The State of Pennsylvania's Whitetail" at the Roadway Inn Convention Center. And this North Carolina native is clearly more qualified to talk about Pennsylvania's deer herd than some of its native-born critics. As a high school student in the early 1960s, Hamilton began reading every article he could find on Potter County and Pennsylvania deer hunting. In 1992, he first came to Pennsylvania to work on solving deer problems as a biologist with the International Paper Company, discovering the Potter County he had read about was long gone and the deer herds were starving and dwindling in the state's big woods. "I'm here to tell you that Pennsylvania still has a lot of work to do, but I also know this state has come a long way and right now the deer-management program is headed in the right direction," Hamilton said. "For a state whose detractors say has no deer, Pennsylvania is one of just six states that annually takes more than 300,000 during its hunting seasons. "In 2009, for the first time in history, 51 percent of the bucks taken in Pennsylvania were 2½ years old or older, compared to 80 percent of the bucks taken between 1989-94 being yearlings. Also, as of '09, Pennsylvania averaged 2.4 bucks per square mile, compared to 2.0 for the rest of the Northeast, and averaged 4.4 doe per square mile, compared to 3.2 for the rest of the Northeast. "What is happening right now in Pennsylvania is that deer simply aren't where they once were, but it seems some of the critics refuse to accept that and keep hunting where there aren't any deer. Nationally, seven percent of the population buys hunting licenses and just three percent belong to a recognized anti-hunting organization, but those anti-hunters work together and are organized, which is why they raised $300 million last year." Hamilton made it clear there is no way to feel sorry for someone because they didn't see any deer, or they didn't kill a buck. It's time those hunters should look into another area because - as they are all excellent woodsmen - obviously the deer herd has been reduced in the area their family has always hunted. I wish the rhetoric from the malcontents, especially the leadership and propaganda minster of the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania, left me comfortably numb, but as this point, I'm dazed and confused. A few weeks ago I was hopeful that the ruling by Senior Commonwealth Court Judge Barry Feudale, a graduate of Lourdes Regional, disallowing a third attempt by the Unis to sue the Pennsylvania Game Commission would bring them to their senses and create a new direction or working with - rather than against - the PGC in the matter of deer management. "Comparison of the deer-management programs and processes in eight states, including Pennsylvania, indicated that, while there were a few differences in procedures and techniques among the states, all eight addressed management of white-tailed deer in a very similar manner," Judge Feudale wrote. "Wildlife Management Institute (which audited the Game Commission's deer program) found nothing in this comparison that would be considered problematic in the commission's general approach to deer management by professional wildlife biologists. The commission even appears to be at the forefront of developing techniques to assess impacts of deer on forest-habitat quality. "The commission continues to be subjected to considerable criticism from hunters about deer-management programs. Most states have had a period of time when deer-management goals, practices or decisions were controversial, but Pennsylvania is unique in that period of controversy seems to never have waned. Judge Feudale also expressed the opinion that those alleged sportsmen are doing themselves, the rest of us and the image of hunting a total disservice by casting hunters as selfish bores. In this day and age, now more than ever, image is everything. In response, the Unis have re-filed their suit and accused Judge Feudale of being in the PGC's pocket. Furthermore, a petition that claims to be from the Unis (I'm actually going to give them the benefit of the doubt here because I can't believe they are so misguided) is being circulated that calls for a three-year moratorium on killing doe and that hunters are allowed to kill one buck. This petition is so ambiguous it's not clear if that's just one buck per hunter during the next three years or one buck in each of the three years. Obviously, no intelligent sportsman who has the welfare of the deer herd in mind would sign such a petition, so this must be the work of taxidermists looking for more work, stockholders of insurance companies looking to raise rates or owners of fencing companies. Assuming that all hunters pursue deer for the primary purpose of sport, for argument's sake, we are then divided into "trophy" hunters and "meat" hunters. Well, I'm darn proud of my two trophy 5-point rack bucks, but I'm even happier to say that our household has been blessed to take at least one plump, tasty, mature Pennsylvania doe since 1982. Because of herd reduction, loss of habitat and urban sprawl, I no longer hunt many of the areas that produced deer as recently as five years ago. That was a conscious decision I made that was a matter of common sense. It sure was comforting, however, to hear someone as qualified on deer management as Joe Hamilton to reinforce that decision and ignore the rants of malcontents. (Dietz is outdoors editor)
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/07 23:08:44
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Dietz isnt taken seriously by too many people. Not even his nonsensical rants about hunters. Ive seen him and his rants basically laughed at on other boards. Neither do they take seriously the topic of his piece apparently. QDMA shot themselves in the arse credibility-wise when they tried to say pa was among the top deer hunting states. Thats so over-the-top its unforgivable. lol. Thats absolutely asnine when we arent even close to the top qualitywise, quantitywise, and are at the very bottom hunter satisfactionwise due to all the controversial nonsense thats been going on the last decade or so. Saw a poll not long ago on Pa outdoor news, question was, do you believe qdmas assessment of Pa. The huge majority said NO. Going by memory think it was like 70%. And that outfit is about as unbiased as it gets with a couple somewhat antideer plan guys writing for them and also Ben Moyer & Nale, absolute pgc supporters writing for them as well. I would say though, that the name "Doyle" sounds pretty appropriate. Lemme guess...another writer whos a Penn Fed member? lol As for Pa qdma, many other state branches are pretty laid back and are as advertised dealing with habitat improvement, etc. And thats where it starts and ends. On the other hand, at least some of the Pa branch is nothing but very vocal political activists making the branch nothing more than another extremist loon fringe group from what ive been seeing and knowing who some are that are involved. Some that join more than one group to multiply their voice then proceed to yelp and rant about gas companies, gas taxes, save the environment & kill deer for the sake of the earth, while carrying the "sportsmen organization" banners overhead, even though they couldnt care less about hunting other then it being a necessary evil. And, quite frankly, I've just about reached the fed-up-to-here point of having people tell me - including friends, fellow outdoors writers and, yes, even members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission board of game commissioners - how bad deer hunting is in Pennsylvania. Maybe ol "Doyle" should consider that everyone else might just know a bit more than he does and arent so easily fooled as he.
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/08 07:18:39
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And, quite frankly, I've just about reached the fed-up-to-here point of having people tell me - including friends, fellow outdoors writers and, yes, even members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission board of game commissioners - how bad deer hunting is in Pennsylvania. And many of us are quite frankly reached the fed up point of having a few folks telling us how good we have it when over 200,000 hunters have quit in frustration, the buck kill has decreased by nearly half, the percent success has gone from 24% to 12-15%, the non-resident hunters are going elsewhere and most of the supposed improvements have not happened. Just because you tell the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true.
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/08 09:55:45
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ORIGINAL: S-10 And, quite frankly, I've just about reached the fed-up-to-here point of having people tell me - including friends, fellow outdoors writers and, yes, even members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission board of game commissioners - how bad deer hunting is in Pennsylvania. And many of us are quite frankly reached the fed up point of having a few folks telling us how good we have it when over 200,000 hunters have quit in frustration, the buck kill has decreased by nearly half, the percent success has gone from 24% to 12-15%, the non-resident hunters are going elsewhere and most of the supposed improvements have not happened. Just because you tell the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true. Can you supply the data to back up that claim(s)? Ironhed
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/08 12:16:07
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I love it, go hunt somewhere else. Mr. Genius hasn't thought that through real well. Go to where the deer are and soon they won't be there either....WF
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/08 18:09:49
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Can you supply the data to back up that claim(s)? Ironhed I have supplied that data on here so many times many folks know it by heart. You and Silver must have slept through the same classes.
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RE: Dietz on Deer ===
2011/03/08 18:19:20
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Go to where the deer are and they won't be there either ? I go where the deer are because we manage the herd the way we want and we have noticed a better herd due to adjoining properties posting also.They don't like what the PGC has done to reduce the herd so they will not permit hunters to enter their land. They have even posted "No Hunting Due To The Herd Reduction of the PGC". Proper management is key and the PGC has failed.I must say due the lack of hunters the herd is growing but the properties will not be opened for public hunting until the PGC changes their ways ! ORIGINAL: World Famous I love it, go hunt somewhere else. Mr. Genius hasn't thought that through real well. Go to where the deer are and soon they won't be there either....WF
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2011/03/08 18:27:13
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They have even posted "No Hunting Due To The Herd Reduction of the PGC". I'll bet the anti-hunters just love going by and reading that sign !!! Great publicity for hunters...HUH ?? Just shows what some Pa deer hunters have become...
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2011/03/08 18:36:31
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I'll bet the anti-hunters just love going by and reading that sign !!! The anti-hunters wouldn't give a rip about those signs BTW, just what have ,the hunters of PA have ,"become.'
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2011/03/08 18:45:56
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I agree it's a sad what has become of property owners and hunters due to the ways of the PGC. Our sport has seemed to deteriorate over the last few years. Things need to change. ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout They have even posted "No Hunting Due To The Herd Reduction of the PGC". I'll bet the anti-hunters just love going by and reading that sign !!! Great publicity for hunters...HUH ?? Just shows what some Pa deer hunters have become...
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