DarDys
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 11:26:13
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By the way, I had a great time at the One Fly. And I am pretty sure that my partner did as well. We did all the socializing stuff -- met new people, reconnected with old acquaintances, ate some great food, drank a few adult beverages, swapped fishing stories, laughed at the "snaggers" contest, and the whole nine yards. All of this despite being in it to win it. You see, Doc, being sociable and trying to be the best aren't mutually exclusive. One can be had with the other.
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Esox_Hunter
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 12:20:45
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Just what is the question I failed to answer to your satisfaction?
If the hunting is as bad in your area as you lead on to everyone, how does unit 5C continue to have one of the largest harvests of all WMUs?
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 12:51:44
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Because there are many areas where hunters can't get access , that still hold a lot of deer. Those hunters who have access to land adjoining those areas still have some good hunting and can kill multiple deer/yr. It would be interesting to see how many hunters were successful in 5C in 2009, rather than just the total kill. Also remember hunters in 5C harvested 3 antlerless for every antlered deer , which means harvests significantly exceeded recruitment in those areas ope to hunting.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 12:54:25
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So what's your plan to make it better in the SRA since you stated the PGC does not have a clue how to manage deer in the SRA?
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Esox_Hunter
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 13:24:19
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In 2B, it is more like 4 antlerless harvested per each antlered.
There are many areas here which hold lots of deer that are not accesible either. There are lands that allow anyone to hunt and the deer population is relatively low within them. I assumed both of these concepts were obvious to people, especially those hunting in the more suburban areas.
What do you propose the PGC do? The majority of my area is private posted land with very limited access. Unless they can start granting people permission to hunt these "off limits"(which would never happen) I don't see a real solution.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 16:33:53
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So what's your plan to make it better in the SRA since you stated the PGC does not have a clue how to manage deer in the SRA?
Eliminate ARs and make doe periods specific for SRA areas.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 16:55:51
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Seriously, tell me you don't expect to catch fish every time you leave the dock. I absolutely expect to catch fish every time I leave the dock. I'm not a big fan of pleasure boating. Ironhed
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 17:36:18
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Eliminate ARs and make doe periods specific for SRA areas.
Please elaborate. Eliminating AR will lead to more does being killed in areas with limited access? And what do you have in mind for "doe periods". There are already very liberal doe specifc seasons in the SRA.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 17:52:44
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Eliminating AR will lead to more does being killed in areas with limited access? No, it will result in more deer being killed. HR in SRAs is based on deer human conflict and bucks cause as much if not more conflict than does. nd what do you have in mind for "doe periods". Are you talking about the length of the does estrus? If so, I'll let you handle that one. There are already very liberal doe specifc seasons in the SRA.
There are already very liberal doe specific seasons for some parts of WMUs that are not designated as SRAs. That is why there should be SRA specific doe tags.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 18:24:03
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Deerfly,
Deer populations are controlled by doe harvest. You constantly refer to the overharvest of does as the reason for our lower deer populations and the need to lower allocations. Harvesting more bucks in the SRA will not lower deer populations. In fact, I would bet that without AR in place, many folks would pass does waiting for any buck. Lower deer populations are the primary goal in these areas.
As far as the WMU/SRA issue. I agree. A commissioner has asked for the publics and staff input before the next meeting. Have you submitted your restructuring plan? Or better yet, plan on presenting your ideas in Harrisburg in April.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 18:59:01
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Harvesting more bucks in the SRA will not lower deer populations. In fact, I would bet that without AR in place, many folks would pass does waiting for any buck. Lower deer populations are the primary goal in these areas. Harvesting buck reduces the OWDD just like harvesting a doe or a BB. When a driver hits a deer it doesn't matter much whether it is a buck or a doe.. IMHO more hunters in SRAs pass on doe while waiting for the big 2.5+ buck saved by ARS. As far as the WMU/SRA issue. I agree. A commissioner has asked for the publics and staff input before the next meeting. Have you submitted your restructuring plan? Or better yet, plan on presenting your ideas in Harrisburg in April.
If the Commissioners are so inept and uninformed that they can't figure that out on their own, nothing I could say would have any impact. I have conversed with Commission Putnam on numerous occasions and it was like conversing with a 100 year old red oak.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 19:12:23
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.. IMHO more hunters in SRAs pass on doe while waiting for the big 2.5+ buck saved by ARS. Harvest data tells us that statement couldn't be farther from the truth. Total 2009 harvest of 2B, 5C, 5D = AL-47,100 & A-13000 In other words 3.6 antlerless are harvested for each buck havested. I guess many of those hunters are shooting 3 does while waiting for that buck....
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 19:15:45
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If the Commissioners are so inept and uninformed that they can't figure that out on their own, nothing I could say would have any impact. I have conversed with Commission Putnam on numerous occasions and it was like conversing with a 100 year old red oak.
Nice. So the answer is to spread slander about the entire BOC and then single one out with more slander because he disagrees with you? Now, that is really a shame that it is so easy for you. No use for further discussion.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 19:37:03
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You obviously don't understand the definition of slander or you won't make such a ridiculous claim.
Every time you are backed into a corner because you can't support your position with facts, you come up with a silly excuse for ending the discussion and that is just fine with me. Any time I can stop a PGC from spreading false and misleading info, I chalk it up as just one more victory for the good guys.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 19:55:08
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Increasing the buck harvest, banging keyboards and throwing mudd at the BOC will not reduce the deer populations in the SRA. If that is your answer to the SRA dilemma, you are as entrenched in a corner as one can be.  Now I am done.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 19:59:15
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A prime example would be the day before the One Fly. My partner hooked over 40 steelhead, bothering to land a little over a dozen of them. I caught one. Did I not want to fish with him any more, as you have suggested that you would? No. Just the opposite. I wanted to learn what made him so much better than I. That would help me be my best.
You forgot to mention that I also landed a sucker. Running out of sucker jokes? I'll give you some time to think of one. 
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 20:04:50
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You were done before you started, you just didn't realize it. In SRA s the goal is basically to reduce the herd as much as possible. Creating a protected class of deer with ARs defeats that goal. If the PGC really wanted to reduce the herd in SRA areas all deer should be legal, with any legal weapon ,if a hunter has a valid tag, from Oct 1 to feb. 1.
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DarDys
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 20:22:57
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A prime example would be the day before the One Fly. My partner hooked over 40 steelhead, bothering to land a little over a dozen of them. I caught one. Did I not want to fish with him any more, as you have suggested that you would? No. Just the opposite. I wanted to learn what made him so much better than I. That would help me be my best.
You forgot to mention that I also landed a sucker.
Running out of sucker jokes? I'll give you some time to think of one.
I actually forgot that the first fish that you caught was a sucker. From what rapala11 writes on other threads, I forgot a lot of things about that trip. I must have been sicker than I thought.
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/15 20:26:07
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Seriously, tell me you don't expect to catch fish every time you leave the dock.
I absolutely expect to catch fish every time I leave the dock. I'm not a big fan of pleasure boating.
Ironhed
I thought so. So will you please explain the difference between hoping and expecting to Doc?
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/16 02:30:04
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I thought so.
So will you please explain the difference between hoping and expecting to Doc? Well, imo, it's a matter of severity I guess. I'm not as good with words as you but I'd have to say "hoping" is kinda like saying "If a fish comes around and decides to eat my junk...cool. If not, I can live with that." Not as drastic. "Expecting"...is a more severe-type attitude, if you will. I expect that fish to eat my junk, get thrown in the coffin and made about 50% lighter once it hits the cleaning table. I, myself, expect to kill/catch/harvest/fool/rope/bonk/mow/slock whatever fish/deer every single trip out. Like I said, tweety birds, pleasure boating and/or sunsets/sunrises are nice and all but I'm not there for that or I wouldn't be carrying a weapon/rod. Ironhed
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RE: PFSC Testimony
2011/02/16 10:00:49
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how about this...   HOPING ==== that looks like a place a trout MAY be hiding, I thnk I'll throw my night cralwers over there and see IF it will take the bait. well that did not work MAYBE a little further up stream.... NOPE well a little down stream MAYbe the ticket... NOPE that did not worked as I thought it would ... but it was fun giving it a try.. ---time to move on to another spot that MAY hold a trout and give it a try... EXPECTING === I see alot of fish on the sonar so I'll drop my bait here and catch a few of them.. OR this one... well the steelhead are all up in these little streams almost on top of each other, the stop sign hole is full of them .... I'll fish there and I expect to catch my limit in no time... I like what Ken said Well, imo, it's a matter of severity I guess. I'm just not that severe on myself.. with that much pressure to "win" I see it as only leading to dissappointment those times it does not work... as I said to each his own ....
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