But, if you had the ability to add the jr. sales plus the jr. combo sales you would see that junior license sales decreased after 2004!!!!

I am not obligated to provide data that contradicts my position, but feel free to spend the time and effort to provide the data that proves I am wrong.

What is the source of the data on which you are basing your comments?

ORIGINAL: deerfly

I am not obligated to provide data that contradicts my position, but feel free to spend the time and effort to provide the data that proves I am wrong.

It seems by your own admission that your position is wrong.

Does anyone else think this is the dumbest post they've ever seen on fisherie?

It definitely falls into The Top 5!

Ironhed

Resident Jr has dropped from 98,233 in 1998 to 38,203 in 2009.

Resident Jr combo was 35,617 in 199, peaked at 53,689 in 2004 and has dropped every year since and it is 48,426 in 2009


I think there is enough data to show a good decline in Jr #'s

Sure glad we got that 30,000 archery tag boost they touted to sell us the arrowguns.....

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

Sure glad we got that 30,000 archery tag boost they touted to sell us the arrowguns.....

I believe we currently sit at about +20,000.  A much closer prediction than the 150,000 that some groups were trying to sell.
 
At this point, that archery sales have at least held their own is a good thing as it appears participation in other areas is falling off. 

ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

ORIGINAL: deerfly

I am not obligated to provide data that contradicts my position, but feel free to spend the time and effort to provide the data that proves I am wrong.

It seems by your own admission that your position is wrong.

I didn't come close to admitting my position was wrong. I just ask others to provide the facts that support their opinion that I am wrong. Those that took the time to read the audit would know there was a significant drop in the number of deer hunters since the DMP plan was implemented and that it was much larger than the drop in general license sales.

"Many Jr hunters like to see pics. No wonder we have a decline in youth hunting." I never said pic were the "ONLY" way for junior hunters to see evidence of successful hunts. "As is the idea that junior hunters would quit hunting because there wasn't some pictures posted on a website." Never said that either. Perhaps you should pay closer attention to my post before you run your mouth.

ORIGINAL: SonofZ3

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

A 12 year old could do better. Take a look at other states. Ask any Jr hunter if he or she would like to see pics of bear taken or would they rather read the statistics on them? See how they answer. Who are you kidding ? Dumbest post ? That's your opinion. Don't see many agreeing with you.

ORIGINAL: Ironhed

It is what it is ! You can flap your lips all you want. The site is a JOKE !

Can you do better?

Ironhed

12 Year old children are better at generating a web document and adding it to a website?

Your implication wasn't that "junior hunters like to see pictures", it was "there are less junior hunters BECAUSE they PGC doesn't include pics in their harvest reports". The idea that pictures with harvest reports are the only way for junior hunters to see evidence of successful hunts is ridiculous. As is the idea that junior hunters would quit hunting because there wasn't some pictures posted on a website.

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

A 12 year old could do better. Take a look at other states. Ask any Jr hunter if he or she would like to see pics of bear taken or would they rather read the statistics on them? See how they answer. Who are you kidding ? Dumbest post ? That's your opinion. Don't see many agreeing with you.

ORIGINAL: Ironhed

It is what it is ! You can flap your lips all you want. The site is a JOKE !

Can you do better?

Ironhed

I took your advice and asked a junior hunter today.  He bear hunts.
His exact words were, "Only if I was holding the bear".  He went on texting his girlfriend.  He could've cared less.

Why is this site a joke and why, then, are you still here? 

Ironhed

p.s. What do you do for a living?

Seeing pics of big bear gets them excited with hopes of one day being in a pic like the ones they view. Kids don't like to read statistics. Keep a kid interested in hunting at a early age and it could possibly last a life time. Give a kid a book with pics and a book of just print and see which one they put down first. You catching on yet ??

ORIGINAL: SonofZ3

You were OBVIOUSLY implying that by not publishing photos in reports the PGC was causing a decline in youth hunting. So if you acknowledge that there are other places to see photo evidence of harvested game, why make a comment about the lack of pictures and youth hunters? Again, if you weren't trying to say that the lack of pics in PGC reports lead to a decline in youth hunters, why did you say "Many Jr hunters like to see pics. No wonder we have a decline in youth hunting."?

Thats like me saying "OA is posting again. No wonder I'm reading such bat sh*t crazy drivel", and then trying to cop out and say "I never said you post crazy drivel! The implication is obvious.

Perhaps you should also read a little closer . I said the PGC site is a joke not this one. "The site is a joke" not this site is a joke. Understand ???

ORIGINAL: Ironhed

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

A 12 year old could do better. Take a look at other states. Ask any Jr hunter if he or she would like to see pics of bear taken or would they rather read the statistics on them? See how they answer. Who are you kidding ? Dumbest post ? That's your opinion. Don't see many agreeing with you.

ORIGINAL: Ironhed

It is what it is ! You can flap your lips all you want. The site is a JOKE !

Can you do better?

Ironhed

I took your advice and asked a junior hunter today.  He bear hunts.
His exact words were, "Only if I was holding the bear".  He went on texting his girlfriend.  He could've cared less.

Why is this site a joke and why, then, are you still here? 

Ironhed

p.s. What do you do for a living?

OA- I understand that young people are much more visual than some adults, and that pictures are going to hold attention better than numbers. What I am saying is that the PGC website is not one of the common places, or at least not a very important one, through which young people are exposed to the success of hunters. The local newspaper was ALWAYS the place I looked for Bucks, Gobblers, Bear and fish. Every Thursday was outdoor section day. I saw people I knew there with bucks and fish. I imagine that most newspapers are still the most immediate and traditional source for hunting harvest pics. Second was the Pennsylvania Game News, which I read rabidly until sophmore year of high school, when I could get out and hunt more on my own and read about it less. Third was on the wall of local sporting goods stores. So, if newspapers started having policies of "no pictures of dead animals" I would be worried about the impact. If PA school libraries stopped offering PA game news I would be worried. I already AM worried that small sporting goods stores are closing down and being replaced by Wal-Marts. Pictures on the PGC site, I'm not worried about. The other three indicate (or would indicate) a shift in public feeling about hunting, a desire to keep it away from children. The PGC site is just a link on a website a lot of people never look at. I have my summary book, its all I need.

I said the PGC site is a joke not this one.

Yes I understand.
My apologies.  I was wrong, I read it the wrong way.

Ironhed