Jet Divers

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Totally kidding..  thought id start the thread off with some humor...
 
Well anyway I purchased several more Jet Divers and I am very interested what stick baits I can use with them. Last summer i used a few jet divers trollin but this year i want to figure them out. I know you can pull harnesses but i also know you can pull spoons and stickbaits of the right size too although i have never tried. Do Stingray sized Michigan Stingers work behind them? and also What kind of stickbaits (thundersticks, bagley, reef runners, etc.) also?
 
All input is much appreciated, just tryin to find my way in the walleye world.

Have it!  I was just interested in some personal advice on what works best.

I would not pull sticks behind them or harnesses for that matter. Only thing I pull behind them is spoons. They will mess up the action of a stick and cause tangles. If you want to get a shallow diver or a harness down while not dipsey fishing (assuming using boards) use snap weights 30-50' ahead of bait,(50/50 method). Try the new dreamweaver WD spoons

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I would not pull sticks behind them or harnesses for that matter. Only thing I pull behind them is spoons. They will mess up the action of a stick and cause tangles. If you want to get a shallow diver or a harness down while not dipsey fishing (assuming using boards) use snap weights 30-50' ahead of bait,(50/50 method). Try the new dreamweaver WD spoons

 
King,
Not doubting you but, we never had a problem running meat or certain shallow divers behind jets.   Some sticks wouldn't run right behind them but that is why I would always check the action boatside.  One other thing, when we were running these, we usually had 1 to 4 oz of beadchain weight connected to the front of the jet on its deepest setting and I think it helped with the orientation of the jet/bait.

Stupid question about jet divers....I never ran one before but I am holding a purple one that someone gave me in my hand marked "30" which means presumably that it will dive to 30 feet. Some are also marked 10, 20 and 40. So my stupid question is.....what makes this diver sink to 30' ? Don't trolling speed, line weight and distance the diver has been let out on the line counter also control its depth?

Go to lurjenson.com there is dive charts there. I like powerpro 20 for jet fishing it is pretty small diameter to obtain max depth.

Spoons with jets are a great combo.

Ok. Here goes and hope this helps,

Harness fishing with jets vs. inline wieghts or snap wieghts off of boards big or inline boards.

The summer of 2010 I ran all jets, and I caught a some of fish. The summer of 2011 I ran inline wieghts and caught a ton of fish.
The biggest difference between jets and wieghts is jets float and wieghts sink. (Da, um ok George!) I know I impress my self all the time.
Anywho, if you are trolling straight ahead with no speed variations and no turns, your jets or wieghts will maintain a certain depth. The summer of 2010, I trolled in a straight line. When I was fishing shallow and my jets would bottom out I would just shorten the lead length off the boards to keep off the bottom. If I would have to slow down or stop the boat to boat a fish or for whatever reason, my spread would float. Back down again when you move forward. A jet works just like a crank.
The summer of 2011, I ran all inline wieghts. The only reason why is that I meet some walleye tourney guys that fish Erie west all the time. Boy, did I learn a lot. Thanks guys!
So anyway, when you fishing harnesses with wieghts and you change up your speed and do some zig-zagging you will put your spread all over the water column. When you turn the inside baits will flutter down and then speed up when the boat begins to turn the other direction. It vis-versa on the outside board. The board basically acts a big float. Boy o boy does this create more strikes. The eyes love that stop and go with a big juicy crawler and a hot pink blade and some bright beeds. (I would too.....it getting me excited just thinkn about it!) When there is a slow bite, give it a shot. Zig-zag some and slow roll some colorados at 1.5 mph. You will box some fish up.
Jets work the exact opposite. The outside will dive a bit with the speed increase and the inside with float up to the surface with the speed reduction.
One thing I have to caution you about, when using wieghts and boards its very easy to get tangles. You just gotta put your time in.....The major thing is when you are bringing in the outside line, you MUST let it swing behind the boat before bringing it in. If not you will be strung up with everything on that side.
Usually, charters will run jets so they can stack several lines off each side. It is very difficult to run anymore than 3 weights on a side. It's a lot easier to run a bunch of jets.
Redneckoutfitters.com has a inline wieght chart. Good luck, I hope I didn't confuse you.

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eyedream,
Thanks, that is some valuable input.  A couple terms I didn't understand please clarify......harnesses.....inline weights.......boards.......are you talking about trolling with planer boards?    Inline weights??   Are you talking about something like a slinky???      Harnesses????

These are inline weights:
http://www.olepetestackle.com/rednektrollingweights.htm
Best used with inline planer boards IMO.
Run this weight on your main line with a harness a couple feet behind, put your board on, then troll SLOW.
I had boats next to me in ohio having trouble keeping lines in the water running this set up while I had trouble moving a rod.

inline planer boards clip onto your line whereas big boards are run from a mast and your line is clipped to the tow line. A harness is a worm harness http://fishusa.com/Hi-Tech-Tackle-Monofilament-Crawler-Harness_p.html

Another question......or statement.....tell me if I'm correct.......you mainly run harnesses with inline weights all trailing an inline planer, correct?
And with Jet Divers you can have anything lightweight trailing behind them.......spoons, stick baits and harnesses, correct?     But you don't have an inline weight trailing a Jet Diver, correct? 

Lovgren, thanks again alot.   Are these inline planer boards used mostly for walleyes or are they also a prime way of catching chinooks, cohos, browns, steelhead, and lakers while trolling in L Erie or Ontario?
 
Beginning to wonder if I need to invest in some expensive downriggers at all.

So many different ways to troll and achieve different depths.....Dipsy's, Jets, Inline Planers, Inline Weights, Side Planers. I'm wondering if it's worth getting a variety of Jet Divers in something other than just 30 Depth.  Every week or so Dix Sporting Goods will pick out one size Jet and put it on sale at about $5.97 or about $2 off.  They also seem to carry a little bigger selection  of all of these trolling devices than Gander Mtn and are also a buck or two cheaper.   
 
Y'all seem to have lotsa ways to get a bait down in the water column, am just curious if any of you have trolled with some naturally diving lures like Kwikfish, Flatfish, J-Plugs, etc.......lures that float until they are put in motion.   For instance, I think it might be interesting to trail a U20 Flatfish behind a #30 Jet Diver.     Maybe do something like that with 4 different rods.    If you get a fish on and you are understaffed you just cut the engine and everything comes floating to the top.

Reminded me of a joke I once heard....something about catching a fish that was a cross between a Walleye and some other kind of fish.....it was called a Kowallski......I don't remember how it went exactly, much less the punch line, but it was based upon how weak a Walleye fights.   Are Dipsy's and Jet Divers OK for salmonoids in your opinion?

Dipsys and jets work great for them. We crushed a pile of lake trout last weekend on jets and riggers. Didn't need to put any dipsys down, but if we did I'm sure we wouldn't have been hooked up.

This one time at band camp.......

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Totally kidding..  thought id start the thread off with some humor...

Well anyway I purchased several more Jet Divers and I am very interested what stick baits I can use with them. Last summer i used a few jet divers trollin but this year i want to figure them out. I know you can pull harnesses but i also know you can pull spoons and stickbaits of the right size too although i have never tried. Do Stingray sized Michigan Stingers work behind them? and also What kind of stickbaits (thundersticks, bagley, reef runners, etc.) also?

All input is much appreciated, just tryin to find my way in the walleye world.

Any shallow diving lure be OK LK; ripsticks, bombers, renosky, etc.....also can run harnesses behind them....6' lead will do ya just fine.

I agree. My hot program this year was regular Renosky's or Chattersticks, or harnesses way, way, way back on jets off big boards.