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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/05 20:45:24
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Many of the "deer farmers" around here cut off the antlers of their big breeder bucks so they do not harm other deer or the females while breeding...
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/05 21:01:14
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They usually don't cut them off below the burr though.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/06 18:55:57
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That's not a shed,either a road kill or pen deer,sorry but a never found sheds like that.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/06 19:09:54
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Where to cut antlers? The best place to cut is as close above the burr as possible. It is also possible on many animals to cut below the burr if one is careful and the burr is not too close to the skull. Below the burr is often desired when antlers are to be entered in competitions, mounted for trophies or simply for increasing their market value.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/07 07:45:35
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simply for increasing their market value. One of the results (one local deer farmer) of cutting off antlers to protect other deer during the rut is to sell them... He told me I would be amazed at how many business owners buy them, have them monuted and are hanigng in their business, many sporting good stores and especially bars. Many of his customers who pay for a trophy deer harvest are the same people...
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/07 07:57:47
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Yep--If your going to display it in your business you can even take the price of the hunt or antlers off your income taxes. The other tax dodge is donating your big game animal to a non profit for permanent display (museum, etc). The government has been trying to stop that for years but as now it is still legal.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/07 17:53:09
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So one guy says they were cut, so they must have been cut from a penned deer. Gotta be difficult getting under those antler bases to get a cut like that. I recall posting a 160 last year that someone here said was killed from a deer farm..haven quest. Ends up not true. Anytime something extraordinary is talked about, there are doubters. I had previously named a place where a lady won a bunch of money, bought a bunch of land, and doesn't shoot doe, now my parents and neighbors hit alot of deer in their vehicles. Wild brookie knew the county and road I was talking about. The post had no other point than showing that wb knew where I was talking about. Seems strange. Now I post a pic of a friend and he knows his name. Are you a stalker wb ? There are only two people I know that know both. Myself and my father. Matt certainly doesn't know the name of the road I refered to. He lives an hour away from it and has never been there. And i don't have any friends that know Matt's last name, especially to spell it correctly. I can think of one guy that'd know Matt's first name and that road name. I'd like to hear how you know the antlers were cut. Not sayin' it's not true but I'd like to hear it. I will say one of Matt's friends is a deer farmer. But I'll also say a broken G4 is probably less likely in a farm. You'd think someone that wants to sell antlers would make protecting them a high priority and cut them as soon as they harden. Keeping quiet about identifying yourself certainly isn't convincing.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/07 17:58:06
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I meant broken g3. The color of the antlers look like sheds to me. The whitish "dead" lookin' had the sun bleached affect that sheds do. But I can see how it looks like they were cut. The size of the antlers certainly aren't impossible for central PA.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/08 10:00:55
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Looks like too much material below the pedicel area to me to be sheds.
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/10 07:54:00
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Yeah, lots of material below but I wonder if it takes more material below because there's more on top ? Not everyday we get to examine pedicals from antlers like that. Matt says they are sheds. Wild brookie can't seem to tell where his info. is coming from. Carry on I suppose.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/10 08:34:48
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cmon guys you all say you spend so much time in the woods and how many matched sets do you find?i know we look at our camp and find very few singles this type of comment is bs and the pics mean nothing you guys should not label members experts just because there on here alot or post all the time this is the problem with our future sportsman to much BS
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/10 09:01:10
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I'm not calling B.S., but I have seen a LOT of sheds and have never seen that much material below. I have seen one case where on larger deer there was some breakage of the actual skull bone still attached, but from a general drop not so much. I hope they are sheds, like to make that one bleed next fall.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/10 09:16:29
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I have not found many sheds. I don't really look for them. And I don't dedicate time to do so. I stumble over a few now and then. Some say it takes an eye... and you get better at it the more you do it. I lack the desire to. I'd refer fish in spring. Most of the deer I hunt bed on steeps and it can be almost impossible to walk them sideways. Even if I did really try to look for them, I wouldn't find many.. the area is very large. I see walking in the woods in the spring more of burning off Christmas cookie fat, than shed hunting. The deer shed hunters that dedicate lots of time say shed halves are usually within 200 yards of the other. WB..If you have issue with someone typing on a dicussion forum, perhaps you shouldn't read it.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/11 08:21:24
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Another pic. They were found 120 yards apart. 20 yards off a road. That's the thing about those BIG OLE MOUNTAIN BUCKS WILD BROOKE. They don't come off those steeps until after dark and they are at the bases of them heading up at the crack of dawn. They know those two-leggers like flats. If they get to 3.5 yo, they seem to learn that people can't go up them very well. I walked one on Saturday. Took me a hour to walk 200 yards. Can't tell you how many times I've hunted the bases of steeps in the evening gruntin' and cannin' and those deer get about 75 yards away and walk back and forth waiting for dark. That ain't no young deer. Even the 2.5 yo usually come down.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/11 10:12:01
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Silver-- any chance of getting a picture of the end of the bases? That would put any questions to rest.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/11 13:05:27
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/12 09:12:23
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im not saying cut of a live deer im saying cut off to mount on deer form as matt once did taxidermy and if he still does he practicing illegal unless he uis licenced by dept.ag and kype i know more than you think so be carefull on what you say as internet is a public forum and anything you write is open to question
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/12 09:17:53
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ps also 20 yards off"a road" and he is the only one who saw them looks like he was road hunting sheds on a state forest road near pine grove mills maybe?kype ask matt was the road near where he lives
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/12 09:36:42
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You originally said the deer was penned. What's the story ? He doesn't do taxi anymore. If he did, or what he intends to do shouldn't be a concern of yours. Not near pine grove either. And they weren't found from the vehicle. They were found hiking. And anything you write is open to question. I've answered your questions, so how about you answer mine. Where do you get this is from a penned deer ? You think you're believable because you can put a name to a face ? I don't.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/13 13:19:18
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looks like your offended by something i know matt has friends with pen deer and i grew up with him and know he is a big b.s.er
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/14 13:27:39
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I'm not offended by anything. I've already said in this thread that Matt is friends with a deer farmer. Does that mean these antlers were cut ? Not necessarily. Hopefully matt will forward a detailed picture of the bases. He has talked about you before and considering your brother has some property on locke mtn, which happens to be where I grew up, I was able to put two and two together. Perhaps with the next buck I shoot, I'll stop down to see your work.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2010/03/23 08:02:06
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I had asked about a pic. Didn't hear a thing for a few days. Explained the situation and he said he's got nothing to prove, just something to share. (and that he doesn't want his pic on the internet). Understood. I like sharing too and didn't think I'd get pounced. My mistake. It's an internet forum... what else to expect. Interestingly enough, I was viewing the deer shed thread on huntingpa and there are some with longer pedicals and some with skull pieces. Check out page 2, the second post. Was that cut too WB ? But these are probably believable, because of their size. http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1575746&fpart=1
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 11:43:43
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ORIGINAL: SilverKype Another pic. They were found 120 yards apart. 20 yards off a road. That's the thing about those BIG OLE MOUNTAIN BUCKS WILD BROOKE. They don't come off those steeps until after dark and they are at the bases of them heading up at the crack of dawn. They know those two-leggers like flats. If they get to 3.5 yo, they seem to learn that people can't go up them very well. I walked one on Saturday. Took me a hour to walk 200 yards. Can't tell you how many times I've hunted the bases of steeps in the evening gruntin' and cannin' and those deer get about 75 yards away and walk back and forth waiting for dark. That ain't no young deer. Even the 2.5 yo usually come down. Head was found two hundred yards from the sheds above. I was shocked when they actually named the gap. Sounded a little familiar. http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2122739&fpart=1
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 12:06:27
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A friend of mine took a couple does off the peninsula years back and they were aged 9 and 13 + one of them had a tranquilizer dart embedded in hind 1/4 and it had a #4 on the end ? It had been there for many years because it was healed over with 3 inches of muscle between it and the hide.Yep we have some old timers around found 1 on RTE.20 that had to be near or over 300 LBS old buck with shriveled up antlers that were no bigger than 3 inch slim jims on its head
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 13:56:03
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The photo that started this has two ways of being interpreted in my humble opinion. Having shot many bucks 3 1/2 and older my initial impression was that he was older with horns that do not do justice to his seniority unless he is on the down slide. Even then the horns are generally not that thin or high but lower and wider and sometimes darker in color. Those could easily be horns of a 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 deer. Occasionally they come from a gene pool wherein the horns dont get much bigger so perhaps thats the answer to that and he is older. On the flip side that looks a lot like a tumor under his chin and though not uncommon it could be the cause of his looking a bit older and leaner. If he has been fighting cancer he may well look much older and drawn out than he should. At a quick glance his head has that long lean grey look that is most often found in very mature deer so I will tend to go with a deer 5 1/2 plus with poor horns for that age group. BTW- just read the rest of this post- WOW 10 1/2- must have eaten like an old shoe.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 15:59:40
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Yeah, his rack is about what you would expect from a nicer 2-1/2 year old in Pa. Grind him up for dog food.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 16:37:01
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Hey 10- didnt realize at first that it was a mount. Kind of lousy in MHO. Everyone does it a bit different but my way of counting still makes that buck an 8. I use Northeast Taxidermy here in Ct- Joe over there is the best I have ever seen with mounts from fish to Afican game to deer etc ( NO i'm not affiliated). Had one done elsewhere years ago and it looked like a scrawny goat when the guy finished it. You woulda thought it was a cartoon deer cept for the rack. Joe does several hundred a year as well as a good portion of the fish from the SR., the shops up there send fish all the way down here for a quality job.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 17:10:28
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That's not mine but was a buck taken in the big woods part of the Northern tier. I actually pulled it off the PGC website. Not a very good advertisement for our older bucks.
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RE: Age this Deer...
2011/02/25 20:01:54
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Quite honestly anyplace that can produce 10 1/2 year old deer is OK by me. With all the hunting pressure today its nice to know that someplace they can still live on. We have that here at home in Ct with so much posted property but to find it in the Northwoods is great.
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