I liked the article too and have it "over there too"...

I will say I do not think alot of this statement though..

The problem was he was waiting for a broadside shot or a quartering away shot which never presented itself. I say, “Shoot the **** thing.” In the woods things don’t always happen like they do on television. The successful whitetail deer hunter will make his shots happen. You literally have to make it happen and turn opportunities into wall mounts. If you’re the hunter that waits for the perfect shot you are gonna get much less experience and take a lot less deer. For God’s sakes, shoot, shoot, shoot.

I think this is EXACTLY what happens too much and too many times .... folks do not wait for the better shot placement...  even in rifle season some are too worried about "if I do not shoot it now the next guy will" ....

I am not sure which individual(s) is responsible for taking a guys pic of an archery harvest, that he was gratious enough to share with the members of HPA and post it all over fishusa, but you need to have it removed immediately. You are completely classless and you need to take a serious look at what type of person you are. If you need to prove a point, there are millions of pics available that do not show the hunter!

Putting something on the internet makes it "fair game" for anyone to use any way they choose...
putting it on a site that allows anyone to link to it is even WORSE....

I would NEVER EVER post a photo on photobucket for that very reason...

lip ripper did not have a "classy" way of asking...  but it is asking ... to take the link down.. which I will do.. as for those that copied my post and the photo and never changed it .. that is up to them...

I'm off to take the link down...

Does this site lack that much involvement from members that they need to find stories elsewhere?HPA is a good site and they have a fishing forum as well.Maybe you should check it out.Easy to find just type in huntingpa.com in google.

ORIGINAL: the_lip_ripper

I am not sure which individual(s) is responsible for taking a guys pic of an archery harvest, that he was gratious enough to share with the members of HPA and post it all over fishusa, but you need to have it removed immediately. You are completely classless and you need to take a serious look at what type of person you are. If you need to prove a point, there are millions of pics available that do not show the hunter!

One looses any control over the photo, once the photo is posted on the internet. If they didn't want it on the internet, they shouldn't have put it on there.

ORIGINAL: Mike_P
 
I am the fella who as you say let the kid shoot the buck in the neck.

There is nothing anyone can say that will ever diminish that moment for me and my son
this aint catch and release once that arrow flies you cant take it back. 

 
Congrats on the great kill for you and your son!!  Awesome bud.

ORIGINAL: nightowl207

first day: took compound out for the evening up in treestand, saw nothing.
tuesday: grabbed crossbow I bought for muzzeloader last year and decided on an evening on the ground. saw 7 doe within first hour. All hung out about 35-40 yrds looking at me, after 15 mins of them lurking out of my range they moved along, so I moved up a couple trees to get in range if anymore come through that trail. about 20mins later a lone doe came walking up the trail. I postioned around to be out of sight and she came in after 10mins of blundering. I got a shot off when she was about 17-18 yards away. She was facing deadbroadside to the right and I let it rip, and just as was she took a step and her front leg facing me was in a back stride. right through the front shoulder it went, out the other side, and stuck 8inches into an old stump 15yrds past the deer. Thankfully I had my crossbow in hand or that may have been a wounded deer.

 
Huh?  Why do you say that?  What are the specifics of the bolt/broadhead/speed you are shooting?  I highly doubt the Kinetic Energy of your crossbow set-up is much different than that of a med. to high range archery set-up with full length arrows.  KE= 1/2*m*v^2.  Here is some interesting reading for you.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/products/archery/crossbows/performance.html
 
Your original statement may very well be accurate if you have an older, slower bow with lightweight arrows but if comparing apples to apples, med. to high end archery and high end crossbows, depending on set-up, have about the same amount of KE. 
 
Did you "blow" through the shoulder blades on that doe or just hit it up front, missing most of the bone structures?

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

I have been looking over the pics of first day kills on the crossbow forum on HPA.Here's the link.http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1364287&Main=112209#Post1364287

Maybe it's all the new guys will give them the benefit of the doubt..
You can't be shooting deer in the front shoulder.....

Of the 6 deer kills posted 3 are through a front leg..Not a high percentage shot..
There is one fella that let his kid shoot one through the neck..That is a never...He should have been flamed for letting his kid take that shot. They all congratulated him..BS...

There is 1 at 38 yards which all you crossbow backers told us would not happen...Only as effective as my bow...BS...I don't shoot doe at 38 yrds with my compound....

So for some of you fellas that might not know, just because it aims like a rifle you still have to adhere to an archery kill zone...

Keep it off those front shoulders...

Sorry to have to post it here, this post would get me a vacation over there for dissing the crossbow dudes...

 
Been huntin' a dandy 10 point.  Ran into a guy carrying one of those heavy crossbows.  He says he got it cause so he can shoot it further than 30 yards. (shocker)  If he wounds that buck, I may take that thing and beat him over the head with it. 

Then don't read the complaints DP.
Mabee you should do like HPA and just not discuss the subject any more...

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

Then don't read the complaints DP.
Mabee you should do like HPA and just not discuss the subject any more...

 
I don't get into it to much anymore.  Now that we have full inclusion the numbers will speak for themselves and I am fine with that. 
 
What has your experience been like this year as far as pressure goes?  In the areas I hunt it seems way down this year and I am hearing similar reports from around the state. 
 
Archery license sales numbers as of two days before the season were 30,000 behind last years total numbers.  That may explain many of the reports of lack of pressure I am hearing. 
 
What say you?

Was out on Sunday moving a stand and found this  and thought i seen something on the ground and sure enough it was BLOOD so decided to fallow and about a 100 yards down the hill found this in the creek Now this is private property and the WCO has seen it too. Now that is a BAD SHOT PLACEMENT it was a WAY to far quarting away. I just hope they find this guy !!!!!!!!! Went back up to the first findings and DID NOT FIND THE ARROW/BOLT   

Hows the pressure up there this year, Silver?  Way down in my parts of 2A,B.  Hearing similar reports elsewhere with a smattering of about on par with last year.
 
Weather has been crappy for the most part here, might have something to do with it too.

I would say pressure is normal on one side of the mountain and way down on the other. 
 
 
Of course, overharvest is the norm where I hunt 99% of the time.. so it's not surprising.  I've seen 3 deer, all bucks, in over 30 hours of sitting so far.   Wind has been pretty good this year.   I did some snow tracking last night.. about 15-20 sets in 30 miles of road.
 
See... that's what folks that say crossbows aren't going to over harvest, don't get.  THERE ALREADY WAS AND IS OVERHARVEST WITHOUT THEM.    If yinz crossbow supporters really were concerned about hunter numbers, you'd listen and recognize that low deer numbers won't keep people in the woods.  4GO ahead and yack all you want about crossbows not overharvesting.. while watching deer numbers continue to drop.   Top that off, the PGC dmapped a huge area where only a small portion of that area has alot of deer.  They do that because they need to use roads for boundaries.
 
It's nice and not so nice having low deer numbers..  nice because we finally have 4 year old deer running around because no one hunts the areas.  The areas that have a reasonable number of deer, the bucks rarely hit 3.5.   Not so nice in that 1 deer sighting per 10 hours is a bit boring and it's difficult to remain focused for that 15 seconds of a 150 hour archery season.
 
We were asked the other day to stop up and hunt an old neighbors property sometime.  Probably 40-60 deer per square mile in the area.   It's nice to have a 'meat' spot if we need it come rifle season.  The areas to the east and west of it are trophy managed and have been for about 10 years.   It'd probably be in my best interest to make a trip up there in archery season. 

You should rephrased that to debating crossbow stuff HERE.   Why would you be so interested in pressure all of a sudden?   I know why... so you can go back to yer crossbow site and yack about less hunters with crossbow inclusion than in previous years and how crossbow inclusion helped hunter numbers.   And how all the bowhunters were wrong while under the protection of subjective moderation.   Sheesh... the comments are on another site too... more subjective moderation.
 
This bowhunter was not wrong, and it took less than two weeks to witness it.  Notice I never said anything about a crossbower taking my big buck (like you yacks had claimed why bowhunters didn't want crossbow inclusion).  But if it wounds that buck because he thinks he can shoot 50 yards, I had best not be there.
 
 

Actually, just asking.  If you care to not to chat because of what you feel are other motives so be it...
 
Participation dropping is not a good thing IMO if it is true.