Making sucker spawn with jig heads

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2007/08/04 20:52:51 (permalink)

Making sucker spawn with jig heads

I was just messing around tyin some sucker spawns and figured Id try it with a jig head. Has anyone ever tried that and had any luck? I was watching something about steelhead tonite and I saw guys using skein on jigs so thats where I thought it couldnt be that bad of an idea.

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    2dog
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/04 21:25:16 (permalink)
    If your using 1/32 oz jig heads don't see why it wouldn't work. Might need a heavier head for swifter currents. One advantage is you willn't need to add split shot unless it isn't down to where you want it to.
     
    Years ago I tied up some woolybuggers using 1/32 jig heads for a coworker. Never did find out how they worked since the closed the shop that same year.
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    mgolf92
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/05 11:36:45 (permalink)
    It might not be very effective, just because you would want a curved hook.  Then again our steelies may not care.  You can also just slide a bead on the hook and then tie the sucker spawn just like you would normally.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/05 20:12:57 (permalink)
    Unless you tie the sucker spawn loops facing away from the hook eye and point i think your going to have trouble with the loops of thread tangling on the hook point and it might cause you to miss or lose a few fish.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/05 20:15:09 (permalink)
    I think it can be a winner.  A curved hook is not necessary for a sucker spawn, just tradition.  Which side of the jig are you tying onto?  If you tie on the same side you attach the line, you may not get good hook ups due to obstructing the hook point.  If you tie on the opposite side, it will always be upside down.  Tough choice, but good idea.

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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/05 21:30:46 (permalink)
    Last year i tyed some crystal meth white, with a silver bead as a head.  In stained water on elk worked very good for me.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/06 15:39:24 (permalink)
    It should work, I'd tie it on 1/64th ounce heads, just tie it on the back of the hook and let it drift upside down, shouldn't matter. Maybe even 1/80th ounce heads for low water.    There's probably times when it won't work as well as the ones tied on fly hooks, just because most jig hooks are big. But when the water is up and green and the fish are slammin', I'd think it should work fine and you won't have to deal with the shot on the line.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/06 21:50:01 (permalink)
    It work's
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/06 21:55:54 (permalink)
    Just make sure you leave 'em in the truck if you go to a fly-fish only area down state.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/06 23:44:39 (permalink)
    is that still considered molded?

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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 12:22:41 (permalink)
    yup.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 13:21:20 (permalink)
    Guys,
    I must say, honestly I am moving toward a simplistic approach to tying flies of any kind. I have given these fish too much credit for way to long. Simply put, my best patter to catch trout is nothing more then a hook,dubbing and thread. I own **** near every material available to a fly tyer. Fly tying is fun, but 99% of the time the practicality for tying complex patterns just is not worth the hassle. I cant tell you how many patterns that I have fished, tyed, bought that are completely worthless. Sure you can tie a sucker spawn with a jig head, but why? Why would you want to put flies that cost so much to tie in the rocks, trees...everywhere. If you tell me you dont end up in trees and such, your a liar.

    This is what it has come to for me, for all trout fishing including steelhead. With nymphs/eggs, of course those **** dry flies are a different story.

    1: Sowbugs - 2 colors(gray, water olive) 3 sizes(16,20,24)
    2: Pheasant Tails - 3 main colors(not including flash backs) (natural,olive,black)(14->20)
    3: Hares Ear Nymphs - Wide range of browns, black, olive - same sizes as pheasant tails
    4: SIMPLE Stone Flies - Brown, Black  size 10->18
    5: Scuds - same as sowbugs, only green and orange
    6: Sucker Spawn(bead and no bead) size 14 and 18 - pink,yellow,white,blue,green
    7: Crystal Meth - size 14 and 18 - pink, green
    8: globugs - orange,white,chartruse - size 14 and 20
    9: larvae - green, cream - 14 and 20


    9 PATTERNS! Fished nymph style, I am convinced you dont need anything else. With those 9 you have matched **** near everything floating subsurface. If I cant catch fish on those 9 in multiple colors or sizes, Im going home.

    Dont spend all your time focusing on details. Trust me, I did it, its not worth it. Ive got hordes of materials I may never use.

    From time to time I get a little creative... I can tell you its only ever pan'd out once! My skien fly, ahh notice I didnt mention that , only a select few know that pattern!
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/08/07 13:23:54
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    T.T.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 13:34:02 (permalink)
    If you tell me you dont end up in trees and such, your a liar.






    Only one thing I can think of to add, and that's woolybuggers.  I'm sure you took that into consideration, and omitted it for whatever reason.  I personally caught more fish (steel as well as others) on buggers this past season than any other pattern.  Yes, I fish them more, but usually use a dropper, so most of the time I've got a bugger and ?? on.  ?? caught much fewer fish than the bugger above the ??.  I even had a few days when ?? didn't catch any fish, and whatever bugger I put on did.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 13:55:26 (permalink)
    I mostly agree with you and the general idea of keeping it simple.  I'd probably choose a different group of flies, not that I don't agree with your choices, I'm sure that's probably all you need. I'd choose differently just out of personal preference, not necessity.    Like T.T. posted, woolybuggers would definitely be in there. It's an extremely rare day when you can't catch at least a few on them, whether steelhead fishing, stocked trout fishing, or wild trout fishing. Also, short of watching a fish take a floating dry fly, watching a fish chase down a bugger and slam it is probably the most fun to me.
     
    I tie other stuff just for kicks, and I still say when fishing over pressured fish, especially steelhead in clear water, it pays to have something, or some technique that they haven't seen before.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 13:59:33 (permalink)
    Sorry guys, I left out streamers which I carry four

    woolybuggers - black, olive, purple
    clousers - brown trout, rainbow trout
    crayfish - olive and brown
    the black nose dace style - dace colors, and emerald shiner color
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 14:01:54 (permalink)
    some technique


    thats the kicker.... may be a right angle dropper, no strike indicator, tuck cast, smaller tippet... flies usually dont matter much when it comes to slight variations in pattern. Everyone should have one secret fly though.
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/08/07 14:02:41
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    T.T.
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 14:13:10 (permalink)
    ...and your's is?
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    kyler16
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 14:56:17 (permalink)
    see Im new to the fly tying world. I mean hell the other day I just learned how to tie a Estaz egg. So doing some experimenting is fun. but I like the advice on simple is much easier and better. I was always worried that I didnt make it look exactly like the picture or how some said to do it. like lastnite I left my girl pick the colors for my bugger. Hot pink and black, who knows it might scare the hell out of fish or they might destory it. but I can say I enjoyed tying that. I dont even want to begin describing some of the flies I tied recently only because Im using them as an experiment to say hey this might work or wont even come close to getting a look. and sucker spawns are bout the easiest thing to tie next to a glow bug. 

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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/07 19:38:52 (permalink)
    Jeremy,
     
    You will find the the K.I.S.S principle will serve you well in almost every life situation -- not just fishing.

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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/08 08:12:32 (permalink)
    ...and your's is?

    I thought I gave you and skip the skien fly.
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/08/08 08:13:22
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    RE: Making sucker spawn with jig heads 2007/08/08 08:16:58 (permalink)
    Forgot one other pattern I carry... san juan worm
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